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moving the 4th pick

Created by: Wereateam17
Initial Creation Date: Jun 28, 2021
Published: Jun 28 at 5:30
Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils
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Eliotte Friedman on his most recent 31 thoughts article stated that the Devils would consider trading the 4th pick for a good, young defensemen. Down below are just possibilities if the Devils do decide to go that route. There are certain instances where the Devils would probably have to add more than the 4th pick for some of these defenseman or vice versa where NJ gets a package for the 4th pick if they acquire a dman who isn't on the same level as some of the other options. Personally I'd prefer if the devils went after Dougie Hamilton in free agency and then took either Brandt Clarke or Luke Hughes in the draft, but I guess we'll see. Don't want a repeat of what the devils did in 2013.
Trades
NJD
  1. Sergachev, Mikhail
TBL
    NJD
    1. Chychrun, Jakob
    ARI
      NJD
      1. Dahlin, Rasmus [RFA Rights]
      BUF
        NJD
        1. Werenski, Zachary
        CBJ
          NJD
          1. Hughes, Quinn [RFA Rights]
          VAN
            This one might be wishful thinking.
            NJD
            1. Boqvist, Adam
            CHI
              Buyouts
              • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
              Retained Salary Transactions
              • Will Butcher: $910,569 (24%)
              Recapture Fees
              • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
              DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
              2021
              NYI
              NJD
              NYI
              NJD
              NJD
              BUF
              NJD
              ARI
              2022
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              EDM
              NYI
              NJD
              CBJ
              NJD
              NJD
              2023
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              NJD
              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
              17$81,500,000$59,166,666$0$4,182,500$22,333,334
              Left WingCenterRight Wing
              NJD
              Johnsson, Andreas
              $3,400,000
              LW, RW
              UFA - 2
              NJD
              Hischier, Nico
              $7,250,000
              C
              UFA - 6
              NJD
              Wood, Miles
              $2,750,000
              LW
              RFA - 1
              NJD
              Zacha, Pavel
              $2,250,000
              LW, C
              RFA - 1
              NJD
              Bratt, Jesper
              $2,750,000
              LW, RW
              RFA - 1
              NJD
              Hughes, Jack
              $925,000
              C
              RFA - 1
              NJD
              Maltsev, Mikhail
              $809,167
              LW
              RFA - 1
              NJD
              Boqvist, Jesper
              $925,000
              C, LW, RW
              RFA - 1
              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
              NJD
              Butcher, Will
              $2,822,764
              LD
              UFA - 1
              NJD
              Subban, P.K.
              $9,000,000
              RD
              UFA - 1
              NJD
              Blackwood, Mackenzie
              $2,800,000
              G
              RFA - 2
              NJD
              Smith, Ty
              $863,333
              LD/RD
              RFA - 2
              NJD
              Severson, Damon
              $4,166,666
              RD
              UFA - 2
              TBL
              Sergachev, Mikhail
              $4,800,000
              LD/RD
              RFA - 2
              ARI
              Chychrun, Jakob
              $4,600,000
              LD
              UFA - 4
              CBJ
              Werenski, Zachary
              $5,000,000
              LD
              UFA - 1
              CHI
              Boqvist, Adam
              $894,167
              RD
              RFA - 1

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              Jun 28 at 5:34
              #1
              Zuke is the goat
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              If Hughes is wishfull tthinking, Dahlin and Chychrun definitely are as well lol
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              Jun 28 at 5:34
              #2
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              You're not getting any of those guys unless you're Holtz/Mercer/Smith++. Boqvist is the only one that is reasonable
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              Jun 28 at 5:45
              #3
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              Quoting: TheAlien
              You're not getting any of those guys unless you're Holtz/Mercer/Smith++. Boqvist is the only one that is reasonable


              Like I said, NJ would have to put together a package for these defenseman including the 4th pick. Not just the 4th pick straight up for the young defenseman.
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              Jun 28 at 5:54
              #4
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              Why not Jones or Dumba? They are two high end youngish d men that are actually on the block. The 4th is a bit high for Dumba imo but may be close for Jones
              Jun 28 at 5:57
              #5
              Jack Hughes is Elite
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              I rather keep the pick too
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              Jun 28 at 6:00
              #6
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              Quoting: sporkknife
              Why not Jones or Dumba? They are two high end youngish d men that are actually on the block. The 4th is a bit high for Dumba imo but may be close for Jones


              I honestly would prefer that or just keeping the pick.
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              Jun 28 at 6:03
              #7
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              Quoting: Wereateam17
              I honestly would prefer that or just keeping the pick.


              Yeah I'm just saying the comment you have here are the realistic options I think
              Jun 28 at 6:12
              #8
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              Yeah why would you give the 4oa pick in a draft pretty loaded in defensemen - 4th pick could be any of the top 4 defensemen excluding Power it's not like NJ is right on the edge of being a cup contender. Moves like that should be saved for teams that have a good but aging core who want to take a last shot or two at winning a cup.
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              Jun 28 at 6:15
              #9
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              Quoting: Sabresforlife
              Yeah why would you give the 4oa pick in a draft pretty loaded in defensemen - 4th pick could be any of the top 4 defensemen excluding Power it's not like NJ is right on the edge of being a cup contender. Moves like that should be saved for teams that have a good but aging core who want to take a last shot or two at winning a cup.


              That makes sense, but then again it is just speculation and I highly doubt they do it. They could probably just move #29 for someone like Dunn.
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              Jun 28 at 6:23
              #10
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              I feel like you’d only want to move it for a guy with a higher projection than Luke Hughes. To me that’s Dahlin or Chychrun, probably wouldn’t move it for anyone else (and obviously you’re adding more). Werenski/Q Hughes/Sergachev are all in the range where 4oa straight up kinda makes sense because L Hughes should be around as good as them in a few years, and it would only be a smaller piece added for the guarantee that the active NHLers have. Don’t think I’d swap 4 for Boqvist tbh.
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              Jun 28 at 6:30
              #11
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              Keep the pick. You’d be adding a substantial amount to get most of the names listed. Just take Clarke and keep those extra assets. Unless you can get a decent deal on Sergachev without too many additional assets. I feel like he would be a stud in NJ’s system. But then I also feel like Tampa would want a different package with NHL ready assets. Could be wrong. I’m still 110% on the be patient train when it comes to NJ so I say leave it alone and concentrate on drafting well
              Jun 28 at 6:38
              #12
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              Quoting: Sabresforlife
              Yeah why would you give the 4oa pick in a draft pretty loaded in defensemen - 4th pick could be any of the top 4 defensemen excluding Power it's not like NJ is right on the edge of being a cup contender. Moves like that should be saved for teams that have a good but aging core who want to take a last shot or two at winning a cup.


              I can see the reasoning if its specifically for a righty. Scouts are divided on Clarke's upside due to his "wonky" stride so if NJ scouts think he doesnt have the ceiling as some of these other guys, I can see it. Every other good defenseman in the draft is a lefty.
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              Jun 28 at 6:41
              #13
              Dawn for GM imo
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              All of these are wishful thinking besides Chicago maybe
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              Jun 28 at 8:41
              #14
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              The list should include:

              Owen Power
              Luke Hughes
              Simon Edvinsson
              Brandt Clarke

              Whatever name they consider has to be better than those four.
               
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