We wouldn’t trade Reilly for Konecny either

You may be right about ghost but not to Detroit. To Detroit he is a cap dump. Find another team unless you want to pay.

Ghost + 2nd is decent, Wings might want another asset given he has 2 years left

That's fair. I genuinely believe the Flyers would rather keep them than pay any real positive asset for a team to take him

Half of the Leafs ACGM teams would disagree

I agree with this as a Flyers fan. He has value of cap comes back.

If you look at Ghost from the POV of Detroit you'll realise that the one veteran they need on LD could come from several different places.

There's Gardiner in Carolina (who would come with a 2nd - or more). There's Martinez, Oleksiak, Del Zotto and a few others in FA (who are better). There's Vince Dunn in St. Luis who's going for pennies on the Dollar (and is much better).

It's not like Ghost is the only option for Detroit, they're obviously going to pick what's best for the team. If that means lowballing Philly it's not because they're being rude, they're only doing what's best for Detroit.

Yeah those Rilley to Philly trades need to stop....Philly needs RHD not more LHD

I totally see that POV. I just think from Philly's perspective it doesn't make sense to pay positive assets to move a guy they can still afford who just played great hockey the last 2 months of the season

I agree with all of your assessments except Nolan Patrick does have value. It’s not number 2 overall anymore but it’s not as low as everyone thinks. Wouldn’t have ACGMs from just about every team thinking he’s fixable for their **** and a 2nd rounder. Lol. Someone will value him. I’m betting it’s Columbus.

I wouldn’t go that far…

To the OP, I agree on all points.

Your Title: Philly is in same position but worse with Players that need to be protected like JVR?

Matt dumba: The Pickle / idea on here Wild can't protect Dumba, Leave Dumba exposed is just blatantly false. For some reason, some think they can just say this over, & over,,& magically it becomes true, but it doesn't fit. There's many different ways to approach Dumba's situation,,& wild will protect him before losing him

Dumba is believed by Wild general manager, & the gm made him a promise he will do everything to keep him a member of wild

Leafs would definitely take Konecny for Reilly if it was available to them.

This still doesn't change the fact that:
1) Travis Konecny is a more valuable player
2) Matt Dumba is ideally a #3 defenseman on a truly competitive team
3) If Minnesota finds themselves in a situation where they are able to keep Dumba after the expansion draft.... they'd have no reason to trade him anyways unless they wanted to go get a Center

1. Keep Dumba - Expose Greenway
2. Expose Dumba and pay Seattle not to keep him
3. Trade him for less value given 1 & 2.

What other options are there?

Three things I don't agree with here.

1) Risto is not a bad player, he plays in a bad team. He had a solid season until he got covid, and then BUF started sinking lower than ever before. If I'm Buffalo I wouldn't trade him for Patrick 1-on-1. Statistically speaking Patrick is one of the worst players in the league.

2) paying a 3rd for Hamilton's rights is distinctively different from an actual sign-and-trade, because in a sign-and-trade you're not acquiring a UFA, but rather a player on a contract fully in your respective teams jurisdiction. CAR has given Hamilton permission to negotiate with other teams for this exact reason so they wouldn't lose him completely for free. I'm not saying CAR is getting full value as their leverage is low, but the circumstance is very different from the likes of Hayes and Edmundson UFA rights low picks trade.

3) Ghost is overpaid for a bottom-4 offensive D-man and during the tight cap era no one is taking him off your hands with no compensation. Imo 2nd rounder compensation is not far from reasonable, but if Flyers is not willing to do such move then I suppose Shayne's staying there.

What is the value of Philippe Myers?

Agree with all takes as a flyers fan. Especially Coots and Farabee. Both should be untouchable unless part of a package for a superstar, which again seems unlikely given coots has 1 year left. Farabee should not be moved at all, he very well could be exactly what the flyers have been looking for the past decade in a pure goal scorer.

The Seattle and Detroit deals are probably pretty close. You talk about Voracek and Ghost like anybody would want to have them, but they have to move if Philly wants to make changes. That’s a cap dump, specifically Voracek at his salary and age.

You might not like the deals presented but most are pretty reasonable starting points even if they won’t happen.

On his current deal, I think you’re looking at a 2nd and mid tier prospect. I think Bennett is a reasonable trade comp.

I agree that Dumba for Konecny is a no-fly, but I haven't seen any serious Wild guys propose that. What I'd be interested in knowing is whether you think the Flyers would exchange the 13th overall selection for Dumba and the 25th overall selection (the Pittsburgh pick Minnesota owns).

I think you're missing an important point here: raw value doesn't always mean a good trade, there has to be a fit. As a matter of fact, I'd argue a handful of these trades are technically "fair" but they aren't good fits.

In the case of Ghost and Voracek, my point isn't that I think they have a lot of value, they don't. My point is using premium assets to get them off the books when they are still good players is something Philly really shouldn't do

The Konecny talk is all driven by the Russo speculation, but the Wild don’t need another winger. Especially one at that cap hit when there will be good, cheaper, options available in FA (not a knock on Konecny). But the idea that Dumba is worth a 10 spot jump really sells him low, and MIN can’t loose a trade like that.

Thank you for being reasonable. FWIW, I agree that Philly shouldn't take a bath to move him, but in a flat cap world, the reality is they'll have to pay to move his contract, so they're better off just keeping him imo

This would be entirely contingent on how the rest of the market looks. Philly really, really needs to be looking to add a 1RD, and Dumba just isn't at that level. I can't see them using that cap allocation and the 13OA chip on anything other than a true 1RD unless they were absolutely certain there were none available.

Having said that, if that were the case I think they'd accept