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Realistic or Unrealistic

Created by: Juiceman
Initial Creation Date: Jul 6, 2021
Published: Jul 6 at 2:07
Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Barron, Travis3$925,000
Timmins, Conor3$900,000
Jost, Tyson3$2,000,000
Dunn, Vince3$3,200,000
Makar, Cale8$8,200,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Landeskog, Gabriel7$6,850,000
Saad, Brandon5$4,500,000
Grubauer, Philipp5$5,500,000
Trades
COL
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Graves, Ryan
  2. 2023 4th round pick (COL)
COL
    Expansion
    SEA
    1. Compher, J.T.
    COL
    1. Gourde, Yanni
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (TBL)
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    TBL
    1. 2022 1st round pick (COL)
    2. 2022 5th round pick (COL)
    COL
    1. Dunn, Vince [RFA Rights]
    STL
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (OTT)
    2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
    COL
      SEA
      1. Johnson, Erik
      2. 2023 2nd round pick (COL)
      3. 2021 3rd round pick (TBL)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      COL
      COL
      COL
      2022
      COL
      COL
      COL
      2023
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      COL
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      20$81,500,000$83,235,629$1,741,463$3,775,000-$1,735,629
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      COL
      Landeskog, Gabriel
      $6,850,000
      LW, C
      NMC
      UFA - 8
      COL
      MacKinnon, Nathan
      $6,300,000
      C, RW
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      COL
      Rantanen, Mikko
      $9,250,000
      RW
      UFA - 4
      COL
      Burakovsky, André
      $4,900,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      TBL
      Gourde, Yanni
      $5,166,666
      C, LW, RW
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      COL
      Saad, Brandon
      $4,500,000
      RW, LW
      NTC
      UFA - 5
      COL
      Newhook, Alex
      $908,333
      C
      RFA - 2
      COL
      Kadri, Nazem
      $4,500,000
      C
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      COL
      Donskoi, Joonas
      $3,900,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      COL
      Ranta, Sampo
      $925,000
      LW
      RFA - 2
      COL
      Jost, Tyson
      $2,000,000
      C, LW, RW
      RFA - 2
      COL
      Nichushkin, Valeri
      $2,500,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      COL
      Toews, Devon
      $4,100,000
      LD
      UFA - 3
      COL
      Makar, Cale
      $8,200,000
      RD
      UFA - 6
      COL
      Grubauer, Philipp
      $5,500,000
      G
      NTC
      UFA - 6
      COL
      Girard, Samuel
      $5,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 6
      Dunn, Vince
      $3,200,000
      LD/RD
      RFA - 2
      COL
      Francouz, Pavel
      $2,000,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      COL
      Byram, Bowen
      $894,167
      LD
      RFA - 2
      COL
      Timmins, Conor
      $900,000
      RD
      RFA - 2

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      Jul 6 at 2:11
      #1
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      Too little for Dunn both $ and return

      He can get to ~ 4M$ in arbitration comfortably

      A 40th + 70th overall pick for him 😳
      Jul 6 at 2:11
      #2
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      Quoting: Radu47
      Too little for Dunn both $ and return

      He can get to ~ 4M$ in arbitration comfortably

      A 40th + 70th overall pick for him 😳


      Too much for Dunn or too little?
      Jul 6 at 2:14
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      So St. Louis has to protect Dunn, then trade him?
      Wouldn't they just keep him them?

      How does Colorado get through expansion draft with Johnson, Makar, Toews and Girard on roster?
      Jul 6 at 2:14
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      Very unrealistic, you have makar signing for 8.2m.
      Jul 6 at 2:16
      #5
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      Quoting: coga16
      Very unrealistic, you have makar signing for 8.2m.


      What you want me to be like Toronto and hand him 11 mil?
      Jul 6 at 2:18
      #6
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      So St. Louis has to protect Dunn, then trade him?
      Wouldn't they just keep him them?

      How does Colorado get through expansion draft with Johnson, Makar, Toews and Girard on roster?


      Dunn is being exposed…. They have Krug, Faulk, and Parayko to protect over him…
      Jul 6 at 2:18
      #7
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      So St. Louis has to protect Dunn, then trade him?
      Wouldn't they just keep him them?

      How does Colorado get through expansion draft with Johnson, Makar, Toews and Girard on roster?


      The compher and Johnson trade were supposed to be together.
      Jul 6 at 2:19
      #8
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      Quoting: Juiceman
      What you want me to be like Toronto and hand him 11 mil?


      No but every mention of his next contract. Same as Hughes and hieskenen is they value themselves higher than the chabot deal. No way you get him less than 9m.

      Would love that deal but it’s not realistic
      Jul 6 at 2:20
      #9
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      Quoting: coga16
      No but every mention of his next contract. Same as Hughes and hieskenen is they value themselves higher than the chabot deal. No way you get him less than 9m.

      Would love that deal but it’s not realistic


      Lol I wish everyone was like MacKinnon and takes less to help the team out. Unfortunately it’s not like that in most cases…
      Jul 6 at 2:23
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      Quoting: Juiceman
      Lol I wish everyone was like MacKinnon and takes less to help the team out. Unfortunately it’s not like that in most cases…


      MacKinnon didnt take less money at the time, he signed the same deal as all the RFAs in his offseason class. He just went to super star status after he signed it.
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      Jul 6 at 2:25
      #11
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      Quoting: coga16
      MacKinnon didnt take less money at the time, he signed the same deal as all the RFAs in his offseason class. He just went to super star status after he signed it.


      Yes but recently he has commented that he is willing to take less on his next contract because he wants to win with this group.
      Jul 6 at 2:26
      #12
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      Quoting: Juiceman
      Yes but recently he has commented that he is willing to take less on his next contract because he wants to win with this group.


      that was before a pandemic and flat cap era though, maybe he sitll does but until that day happens, you plan for a mega deal for him
      Jul 6 at 2:29
      #13
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      Quoting: coga16
      that was before a pandemic and flat cap era though, maybe he sitll does but until that day happens, you plan for a mega deal for him


      He deserves a mega deal but I feel like he will take something in between Landeskog and rantanen. He earns my respect though if he takes less because being a team player and getting a Stanley cup is probably more valuable than a million dollars or two.
      Jul 6 at 2:30
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      Quoting: Juiceman
      He deserves a mega deal but I feel like he will take something in between Landeskog and rantanen. He earns my respect though if he takes less because being a team player and getting a Stanley cup is probably more valuable than a million dollars or two.


      there is no way he signs anything less than 10m, even in a flat cap era
      Jul 6 at 2:32
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      Quoting: coga16
      there is no way he signs anything less than 10m, even in a flat cap era


      Quite unfortunate because it means the avalanche are turning into more like the Maple Leafs for 4 huge contracts. :/
      Jul 6 at 2:35
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      So basically its Dunn for Graves+4th. The Avs don't need another puck moving D or PP specialist, got that covered with Toews, Sammy, Makar and Byram. Need a Big shut down, punisher in front of the net type D. Johnson fits that roll, if healthy, and Gravey fits that roll to a lesser extent. Dunn got almost no PK time and only 2nd unit PP (he wont take time from any of the other 4 pp guys I mentioned...) Gravy #1 TOI for PK on the team. And a +15 to boot on top of it. Dunn is not going to take those minutes. They both average a 19 mins per games and would slot in the same position on this roster. Seems like a lot of effort for not enough payoff, for a roll that doesn't need to be filled or improved. Unrealistic... IDK. Unnecessary is more like it.
      Jul 6 at 2:42
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      Quoting: LittleBuddha
      So basically its Dunn for Graves+4th. The Avs don't need another puck moving D or PP specialist, got that covered with Toews, Sammy, Makar and Byram. Need a Big shut down, punisher in front of the net type D. Johnson fits that roll, if healthy, and Gravey fits that roll to a lesser extent. Dunn got almost no PK time and only 2nd unit PP (he wont take time from any of the other 4 pp guys I mentioned...) Gravy #1 TOI for PK on the team. And a +15 to boot on top of it. Dunn is not going to take those minutes. They both average a 19 mins per games and would slot in the same position on this roster. Seems like a lot of effort for not enough payoff, for a roll that doesn't need to be filled or improved. Unrealistic... IDK. Unnecessary is more like it.


      Very insightful, thank you.
      Jul 6 at 2:52
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      Graves trade is probably a season too late. The lefts side is set for next season. Not saying Mete or Brannstrom are better than him right now but the trade would create a logjam at a position that's already more of a strength and if anything would further highlight the weakness at RD. I'd say unrealistic just because of need. Ottawa likely passes.
      Jul 6 at 2:54
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      Quoting: NHLfan10506
      So St. Louis has to protect Dunn, then trade him?
      Wouldn't they just keep him them?

      How does Colorado get through expansion draft with Johnson, Makar, Toews and Girard on roster?


      There's talk that Colorado might buyout Johnson so they aren't forced to protect him, then they protect Toews, Makar, and Girard.
      Jul 6 at 2:55
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      I wonder if you can't get Gourde for a lot less since Tampa has to dump salary going into next season. Vancouver took Schmidt for a 3rd because Vegas needed the cap space.
      Jul 6 at 2:56
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      Quoting: sensibleguy
      There's talk that Colorado might buyout Johnson so they aren't forced to protect him, then they protect Toews, Makar, and Girard.


      No, there is not talk of EJ being bought out. He has already agreed to waive his NMC for the XD.
      Jul 6 at 3:00
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      Quoting: Juiceman
      Yes but recently he has commented that he is willing to take less on his next contract because he wants to win with this group.


      He said that two years ago and he meant not pushing for a max value deal which, for him, would probably be in the McDavid realm. Expecting him to take $4M less is pretty fantastical.
      Jul 6 at 3:02
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      Quoting: NMAvsFan
      I wonder if you can't get Gourde for a lot less since Tampa has to dump salary going into next season. Vancouver took Schmidt for a 3rd because Vegas needed the cap space.


      Gourde is a much better player than Schmidt, and Schmidt is pretty good. This seems about right for him
      Jul 6 at 3:02
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      Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
      Graves trade is probably a season too late. The lefts side is set for next season. Not saying Mete or Brannstrom are better than him right now but the trade would create a logjam at a position that's already more of a strength and if anything would further highlight the weakness at RD. I'd say unrealistic just because of need. Ottawa likely passes.


      Mete was claimed so the Sens could trade off their excess defence with trade value at the TDL, and was a capable stopgap, but I can't see Mete being more than a depth guy in Ottawa moving forward. He might get a QO and 1 year contract, and he might be a part of the Graves trade, but as soon as Sanderson arrives, Mete is gone regardless. Graves, who is a legitimate middle pair defender, can hold the position this season, and allow Sanderson an easier transition next season. He's the type of defender the Sens target. Mete was just right time, right place.
      Jul 6 at 3:04
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      Quoting: NMAvsFan
      No, there is not talk of EJ being bought out. He has already agreed to waive his NMC for the XD.


      Regardless of if he agreed to waive or not, "talk of" just means speculation.

      https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/seravalli-10-buyout-candidates-this-nhl-offseason/
       
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