Quoting: coga16
you claim that I dont know anything about your players and dismiss everything I say, yet you are dismissing everything about Nuke bc you dont even want to take the time to actually look up his impacts,
There is a reason why the analytics community talk about him constantly. Its how dominate defensively he really is
but again you are taking things way to personal, chill out man
Do you even read my responses?
I thought this was an actual discussion with a chance to open your eyes to what you aren't seeing, and I've already explained I know all about Nichushkin, from the moment he was drafted to his time in Colorado. He's a good defensive player, but the NHL is full of good defensive players. Players like Mark Stone who may never win a Selke, but deserves to. Players like Valeri Nichushkin and Nick Paul.
I've always said, there are 15-20 top 10 of anything. Lists are subjective, and NHL defense is subjective, there's no linear metric like scoring to rate it. Yes Nichushkin is good defensively, but he's not the only one.
2021 Selke Trophy voting
Points (1st-5th)
1. Aleksander Barkov, FLA 780 (62-16-7-3-4)
2. Patrice Bergeron, BOS 522 (15-30-24-11-9)
3. Mark Stone, VGK 463 (11-26-23-16-8)
4. Joel Eriksson Ek, MIN 193 (4-6-12-10-21)
5. Ryan O'Reilly, STL 175 (2-8-12-10-9)
6. Phillip Danault, MTL 138 (1-5-4-20-13)
7. Joe Pavelski, DAL 59 (0-4-3-4-4)
8. Jordan Staal, CAR 43 (1-0-4-3-4)
9. Brad Marchand, BOS 39 (2-0-1-3-5)
10. Mitchell Marner, TOR 33 (0-0-3-4-6)
11. Marcus Foligno, MIN 25 (1-0-3-0-0)
12. Anze Kopitar, LAK 22 (0-1-1-3-1)
13. Leon Draisaitl, EDM 17 (0-2-0-1-0)
14. Sidney Crosby, PIT 15 (0-0-0-4-3)
15. Sean Couturier, PHI 12 (0-0-1-2-1)
16. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, NYI 10 (1-0-0-0-0)
17. Connor Brown, OTT 10 (0-1-0-0-3)
18. Mikko Rantanen, COL 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
19.
Valeri Nichushkin, COL 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
20. Anthony Cirelli, TBL 7 (0-0-0-2-1)
21. Radek Faksa, DAL 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
22. Nathan MacKinnon, COL 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
23. Logan Couture, SJS 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
23. Zach Hyman, TOR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
25. Sebastian Aho, CAR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
25. Luke Glendening, DET 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
27. Auston Matthews, TOR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
27. Connor McDavid, EDM 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
27.
Nick Paul, OTT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)