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Heard that Eichel could happen so here we go

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Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 7, 2021
Published: Jul. 7, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Veterans will see that this team has a shot at winning it all, and they come over on cheap deals to try to win one last time.

Koskinen and DeKeyser are signed after being bought out
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$9,000,000
2$1,500,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,000,000
8$7,500,000
1$750,000
1$1,500,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$850,000
1$1,000,000
1$1,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Koskinen, Mikko
1$750,000
DeKeyser, Danny
1$750,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Bowers, Shane
  2. Byram, Bowen
  3. Graves, Ryan
  4. Kadri, Nazem
  5. Kaut, Martin
  6. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
  7. 2022 1st round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Buffalo can immediately flip Kadri to another team
2.
3.
COL
  1. Manson, Josh ($2,050,000 retained)
ANA
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (COL)
4.
COL
    Seattle Expansion Draft (happens before Anaheim trade)
    5.
    COL
    1. 2021 5th round pick (VGK)
    6.
    COL
    1. Paul, Nicholas ($675,000 retained)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
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    2022
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    2023
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    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the COL
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    Logo of the COL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$80,590,713$1,741,463$0$909,287
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $6,300,000$6,300,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $9,250,000$9,250,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $4,900,000$4,900,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $10,000,000$10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $3,900,000$3,900,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Ottawa Senators
    $74,250$74,250
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $725,000$725,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $4,100,000$4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    G
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
    $0$0
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Koskinen, Mikko
    $750,000$750,000
    DeKeyser, Danny
    $750,000$750,000
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    $850,000$850,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    $750,000$750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    $750,000$750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2

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    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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    I don't think this is worth it. We now have as much depth as a kiddie pool and pretty much one injury away from disaster
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.
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    I’d take the Eichel trade if i was Buffalo.

    Paul trade? Not so much. Pass on Nichuskin. Hard pass on retention haha
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    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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    No Newhook, no care.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
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    too much for the avs.

    can't afford eichel past a season or two so why bother.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:16 p.m.
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    BUF says no on Laaksonen. And as mentioned above, BUF should target Newhook instead of Byram.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
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    So the equivalent of 6 1st rd picks? That’s a no. Byram wouldn’t be part of an Eichel deal, Newhook would. And Eichel isn’t going to COL, that’s a hard no.
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    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.
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    I really doubt that avs are even a player in this

    From 1 guy saying the Avs checked in on Eichel to they are not the front runners, thats a huge leap based on 0 information beyond what ever GM does, they call other GMs and check in on the trade front
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    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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    trade looks good, I wonder if Avs would have to give up Newhook + Byram in a trade, due to the firsts being really late? I'd imagine that's the ask from Buf, and that's a big no from the Avs. That's why I don't see it being done, but if it did the avs would be the most entertaining team in the league by far
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    Jul. 7, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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    Paul > Nichushkin

    Paul is cheaper and plays an important role. Paul might not get as many goals, but he's great on the PK and in late game pressure situations. Nichushkin wouldn't crack Ottawa's top9 anyway, so Nick Paul is a better 4th line alternative.

    Retaining money just makes it worse
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensibleguy
    Paul > Nichushkin

    Paul is cheaper and plays an important role. Paul might not get as many goals, but he's great on the PK and in late game pressure situations. Nichushkin wouldn't crack Ottawa's top9 anyway, so Nick Paul is a better 4th line alternative.

    Retaining money just makes it worse


    Nuke is one of the best defensive fwds. In the league. To say he won’t crack the sens top 9 is a bit of an exaggeration.

    He makes any 3rd line solid with how good defensively he is and his forechecking. Colin white would easily lose his job to nuke in the top 9 just as an example
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 8:40 p.m.
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    Nuke is one of the best defensive fwds. In the league. To say he won’t crack the sens top 9 is a bit of an exaggeration.

    He makes any 3rd line solid with how good defensively he is and his forechecking. Colin white would easily lose his job to nuke in the top 9 just as an example


    No

    Nichushkin is a winger, and a defensive winger isn't replacing a 2C, or be traded for a defensive forward that can play centre and excels at faceoffs. Try learning more about White and Paul before you compare them.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 8:44 p.m.
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    Edited Jul. 7, 2021 at 8:51 p.m.
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    No

    Nichushkin is a winger, and a defensive winger isn't replacing a 2C, or be traded for a defensive forward that can play centre and excels at faceoffs. Try learning more about White and Paul before you compare them.


    You mean the guy who is getting healthy scratched in Ottawa Colin white.
    Who nuke out produced offensively, and is in a league of his own in terms of defensive metrics compared to White. The same guy who has the identical stat line and face off ability, no of draws as JT Compher who is not a 2C

    that Colin white?
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 8:54 p.m.
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    You mean the guy who is getting healthy scratched in Ottawa Colin white.
    Who nuke out produced offensively, and is in a league of his own in terms of defensive metrics compared to White.

    that Colin white?


    This was a pathetic response

    DJ Smith being a ****, and benching White for some power trip backfired on him. How did Ottawa do in the month of January? Check his game to game TOI and see that crap ended in a hurry.

    Pathetic
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 8:56 p.m.
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    This was a pathetic response

    DJ Smith being a ****, and benching White for some power trip backfired on him. How did Ottawa do in the month of January? Check his game to game TOI and see that crap ended in a hurry.

    Pathetic


    So are we just over looking his production, defensively metrics, and inability at taking face-offs? You claim hes a 2c, hes not. He isnt even an upgrade production and being a centre over JT Compher.

    Nothing is pathetic about that. White is not a top 6 player right now
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 9:00 p.m.
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    So are we just over looking his production, defensively metrics, and inability at taking face-offs? You claim hes a 2c, hes not. He isnt even an upgrade production and being a centre over JT Compher.

    Nothing is pathetic about that. White is not a top 6 player right now


    Again, learn about the player before you compare him. White was utilized as a defensive forward all season, and playing with Paul, who's a defensive forward first and foremost, scored a whopping 5 goals. Yeah, White and Dadonov assists were down, I wonder why...
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 9:02 p.m.
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    Again, learn about the player before you compare him. White was utilized as a defensive forward all season, and playing with Paul, who's a defensive forward first and foremost, scored a whopping 5 goals. Yeah, White and Dadonov assists were down, I wonder why...


    and I said that Nuke is one of the top defensive fwds in the league, so a player who out produces him and is better defenivsely. I dont know where the disconnect is here. Nuke playing with Jost and Donskoi. Jost is a defensive player as well.

    you keep on saying learn about White...very much aware of the player, he is paid like a top 6 player but his results are not even remotely close to that last year, and he is not a capable centreman at this moment.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.
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    and I said that Nuke is one of the top defensive fwds in the league, so a player who out produces him and is better defenivsely. I dont know where the disconnect is here. Nuke playing with Jost and Donskoi. Jost is a defensive player as well.

    you keep on saying learn about White...very much aware of the player, he is paid like a top 6 player but his results are not even remotely close to that last year, and he is not a capable centreman at this moment.


    BFD, the Sens don't need Nichushkin, he doesn't crack their top9. I know about Nichushkin, from when he played in Dallas, when he disappeared for two seasons, when he was bought out, and when he reappeared in Colorado. Yes I know about and the promise he had as a big scoring winger, but that never happened. Sometimes players don't become what they were projected to be, but that's not really a part of this. My point is, I know all I need to know about Nichushkin and what he was, and is, and what he brings. I'll take Paul at $1.35MM over Nichushkin, and I'll easily take White at $4.75MM over Nichushkin and his $2MM or whatever contract, which is eerily similar to his contract that was bought out.

    Watch some games, and don't believe everything you read
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 9:20 p.m.
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    BFD, the Sens don't need Nichushkin, he doesn't crack their top9. I know about Nichushkin, from when he played in Dallas, when he disappeared for two seasons, when he was bought out, and when he reappeared in Colorado. Yes I know about and the promise he had as a big scoring winger, but that never happened. Sometimes players don't become what they were projected to be, but that's not really a part of this. My point is, I know all I need to know about Nichushkin and what he was, and is, and what he brings. I'll take Paul at $1.35MM over Nichushkin, and I'll easily take White at $4.75MM over Nichushkin and his $2MM or whatever contract, which is eerily similar to his contract that was bought out.

    Watch some games, and don't believe everything you read


    you are always ignoring nukes elite defensively ability.
    but I am getting the vibes you are taking any sort of criticism about a sens player too personally so no point in continuing this

    have a good night
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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    you are always ignoring nukes elite defensively ability.
    but I am getting the vibes you are taking any sort of criticism about a sens player too personally so no point in continuing this

    have a good night


    Elite defensive ability, lol. Yeah, him and another 30-40 forwards who are considered elite defensive forwards, Nick Paul among them. That's rhetoric, it's a worthless comment.

    Sen players are good, and they sux, I'm just being realistic, and the fact that most people don't understand the season White had, and the continuing rhetoric about it, gets old, and I'm fine with pointing out that. If you want White negatives, I can add them here if you want, but it won't make Nichushkin worth more than him.

    White is weak on faceoffs, about 44%, not as bad as Stützle's 29%, but not good either, and that caused DJ Smith to anchor Paul on White's left wing for most of the season. That anchor weighs White down. Check Dobber's frozen pool, and you'll see that;

    Paul, White, Dadonov were together for 41.3% of Whites season, yet accounted for only 35.7% of his production
    Stützle, White, Dadonov were together for 15.8% of Whites season, yet accounted for 28.6% of his production

    Playing with Paul lowers his production, yet playing with two top6 wingers, even if one is a rookie, and suddenly White is playing at a 2C rate. I'm not saying White is suddenly a 60 point centre, but 45-50 points (prorated) was easily within reach.
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 10:11 p.m.
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    Elite defensive ability, lol. Yeah, him and another 30-40 forwards who are considered elite defensive forwards, Nick Paul among them. That's rhetoric, it's a worthless comment.

    Sen players are good, and they sux, I'm just being realistic, and the fact that most people don't understand the season White had, and the continuing rhetoric about it, gets old, and I'm fine with pointing out that. If you want White negatives, I can add them here if you want, but it won't make Nichushkin worth more than him.

    White is weak on faceoffs, about 44%, not as bad as Stützle's 29%, but not good either, and that caused DJ Smith to anchor Paul on White's left wing for most of the season. That anchor weighs White down. Check Dobber's frozen pool, and you'll see that;

    Paul, White, Dadonov were together for 41.3% of Whites season, yet accounted for only 35.7% of his production
    Stützle, White, Dadonov were together for 15.8% of Whites season, yet accounted for 28.6% of his production

    Playing with Paul lowers his production, yet playing with two top6 wingers, even if one is a rookie, and suddenly White is playing at a 2C rate. I'm not saying White is suddenly a 60 point centre, but 45-50 points (prorated) was easily within reach.


    you claim that I dont know anything about your players and dismiss everything I say, yet you are dismissing everything about Nuke bc you dont even want to take the time to actually look up his impacts,
    There is a reason why the analytics community talk about him constantly. Its how dominate defensively he really is

    but again you are taking things way to personal, chill out man
    Jul. 7, 2021 at 10:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    you claim that I dont know anything about your players and dismiss everything I say, yet you are dismissing everything about Nuke bc you dont even want to take the time to actually look up his impacts,
    There is a reason why the analytics community talk about him constantly. Its how dominate defensively he really is

    but again you are taking things way to personal, chill out man


    Do you even read my responses?

    I thought this was an actual discussion with a chance to open your eyes to what you aren't seeing, and I've already explained I know all about Nichushkin, from the moment he was drafted to his time in Colorado. He's a good defensive player, but the NHL is full of good defensive players. Players like Mark Stone who may never win a Selke, but deserves to. Players like Valeri Nichushkin and Nick Paul.

    I've always said, there are 15-20 top 10 of anything. Lists are subjective, and NHL defense is subjective, there's no linear metric like scoring to rate it. Yes Nichushkin is good defensively, but he's not the only one.

    2021 Selke Trophy voting

    Points (1st-5th)

    1. Aleksander Barkov, FLA 780 (62-16-7-3-4)

    2. Patrice Bergeron, BOS 522 (15-30-24-11-9)

    3. Mark Stone, VGK 463 (11-26-23-16-8)

    4. Joel Eriksson Ek, MIN 193 (4-6-12-10-21)

    5. Ryan O'Reilly, STL 175 (2-8-12-10-9)

    6. Phillip Danault, MTL 138 (1-5-4-20-13)

    7. Joe Pavelski, DAL 59 (0-4-3-4-4)

    8. Jordan Staal, CAR 43 (1-0-4-3-4)

    9. Brad Marchand, BOS 39 (2-0-1-3-5)

    10. Mitchell Marner, TOR 33 (0-0-3-4-6)

    11. Marcus Foligno, MIN 25 (1-0-3-0-0)

    12. Anze Kopitar, LAK 22 (0-1-1-3-1)

    13. Leon Draisaitl, EDM 17 (0-2-0-1-0)

    14. Sidney Crosby, PIT 15 (0-0-0-4-3)

    15. Sean Couturier, PHI 12 (0-0-1-2-1)

    16. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, NYI 10 (1-0-0-0-0)

    17. Connor Brown, OTT 10 (0-1-0-0-3)

    18. Mikko Rantanen, COL 8 (0-0-1-1-0)

    19. Valeri Nichushkin, COL 7 (0-1-0-0-0)

    20. Anthony Cirelli, TBL 7 (0-0-0-2-1)

    21. Radek Faksa, DAL 5 (0-0-1-0-0)

    22. Nathan MacKinnon, COL 4 (0-0-0-1-1)

    23. Logan Couture, SJS 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

    23. Zach Hyman, TOR 3 (0-0-0-1-0)

    25. Sebastian Aho, CAR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

    25. Luke Glendening, DET 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

    27. Auston Matthews, TOR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

    27. Connor McDavid, EDM 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

    27. Nick Paul, OTT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
     
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