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Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 8, 2021
Published: Jul. 8, 2021
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:08 a.m.
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The risk of 6 more years is significant. A 35 year old who has performed well and has 1 year left doesn't have anywhere near the risk of a 30 year old with 6 more years. Why is this so difficult?


there is a risk with any contract - regardless of term and money.
where is the risk with Kreider's contract right now? He is a 30 year old that has preformed well...
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:10 a.m.
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JVR I’d say is just as, if not more physical than Kreids. Kreids just finishes hits, he isn’t out there looking for the biggest hits. Where as a Tom Wilson type player is flying around the ice looking for a big hit and when it’s slightly late he ends up with suspensions. Gallagher is more of the crash and bang type of player. Pavelski is similar to Kreids and JVR where Lee is looking for that big hit.


All of them have their different styles of physical play but Pavelski and JVRs contract (term) and offensive production makes them way more valuable.

With that being said, Kreider Lee and Gallagher aren't cap dumps right now, but will decline soon which will make them dumps. And for that reason, no team would trade for them
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.
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there is a risk with any contract - regardless of term and money.
where is the risk with Kreider's contract right now? He is a 30 year old that has preformed well...


Sure, but in any trade you're asking the other team to take the WHOLE contract, not just the next year or two. They have to take into consideration normal age-related decline, and doing so doesn't make the $6.5M AAV look attractive.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
there is a risk with any contract - regardless of term and money.
where is the risk with Kreider's contract right now? He is a 30 year old that has preformed well...


There's a much bigger risk with a guy who has 6 year left and plays a more physical game than a guy who has 1 year left and is still producing great. If Pavelski sucks this year, it doesn't matter, his contract expires. If Kreider sucks this year, the Rangers are stuck with his contract for the next 5 years. Pavelski is better than Kreider right now and has less term. They're not comparable
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:54 a.m.
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There's a much bigger risk with a guy who has 6 year left and plays a more physical game than a guy who has 1 year left and is still producing great. If Pavelski sucks this year, it doesn't matter, his contract expires. If Kreider sucks this year, the Rangers are stuck with his contract for the next 5 years. Pavelski is better than Kreider right now and has less term. They're not comparable


stop playing the what if game.
there is no indication that he will "suck" and in the event he has an off year, doesn't mean he can't come back from it.
Pavelski and Kreider are the exact definition of comparables. They signed similar contracts, at similar ages and have similar on ice value. Sure Pavelski is the slightly better player, but we are splitting hairs.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 10:31 a.m.
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stop playing the what if game.
there is no indication that he will "suck" and in the event he has an off year, doesn't mean he can't come back from it.
Pavelski and Kreider are the exact definition of comparables. They signed similar contracts, at similar ages and have similar on ice value. Sure Pavelski is the slightly better player, but we are splitting hairs.




Ever since 2016-17, Kreider has decreased in points in almost every year and with his role getting smaller on the Rangers. Why do you think he's going to rebound.
And if you want to compare that to Pavelski, every since 2010, he's been a consistent 60+ point guy (not including shorten seasons).The only season when he wasn't a 60+ point guy was last year but he bounced back.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 10:45 a.m.
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Ever since 2016-17, Kreider has decreased in points in almost every year and with his role getting smaller on the Rangers. Why do you think he's going to rebound.
And if you want to compare that to Pavelski, every since 2010, he's been a consistent 60+ point guy (not including shorten seasons).The only season when he wasn't a 60+ point guy was last year but he bounced back.


factually incorrect - every season since 16/17 he has hoovered around an average of 55 points a season. There has not been a dip in production.
not to mention, this season was tied for his highest average time on ice of his career.
but keep going down his point total lines year by year without looking at the full picture.

ohhh, so Pavelski can bounce back but in the event Kreider has an off year he won't be able to?
what gives you such great insight into the future of what ifs?
Jul. 9, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
factually incorrect - every season since 16/17 he has hoovered around an average of 55 points a season. There has not been a dip in production.
not to mention, this season was tied for his highest average time on ice of his career.
but keep going down his point total lines year by year without looking at the full picture.

ohhh, so Pavelski can bounce back but in the event Kreider has an off year he won't be able to?
what gives you such great insight into the future of what ifs?


This season was tied for his highest average times on ice but yet this was his lowest points per game since 2016-17

Maybe because Pavelski is on the top line and Kreider might not even be in the top 6. Pavelski is very consistent in his points per game per year. Kreider isn't. Better probability Pavelski continues to produce, especially with more ice time
Jul. 9, 2021 at 11:56 a.m.
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This season was tied for his highest average times on ice but yet this was his lowest points per game since 2016-17

Maybe because Pavelski is on the top line and Kreider might not even be in the top 6. Pavelski is very consistent in his points per game per year. Kreider isn't. Better probability Pavelski continues to produce, especially with more ice time


again, you are splitting hairs to fit your narrative. it's cool, you like the Devils and hate the Rangers, probably super liberal too.
but for 5 minutes, imagine the Kreider doesn't play for the Rangers - you wouldn't be having this argument.
Kreider has been nothing but consistent and can be relied on for 50-55 points every season. Kreider was in the top 6 all season long with the exception of a few games when they were trying different line combos.
using this season as a gauge of anything is worthless, short camp, short season - players in and out of the line up - nothing about this season was normal.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 12:02 p.m.
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again, you are splitting hairs to fit your narrative. it's cool, you like the Devils and hate the Rangers, probably super liberal too.
but for 5 minutes, imagine the Kreider doesn't play for the Rangers - you wouldn't be having this argument.
Kreider has been nothing but consistent and can be relied on for 50-55 points every season. Kreider was in the top 6 all season long with the exception of a few games when they were trying different line combos.
using this season as a gauge of anything is worthless, short camp, short season - players in and out of the line up - nothing about this season was normal.


I can use the same argument for Gallagher and Lee too. It's not only Kreider. If Kreider was on the Devils, I would hate that contract.
Kreider, Gallagher, Lee haven't been as consistent as Pavelski and their inconsistent PPG, limited roles (except Lee), age, etc all are red flags
You can use this season as an excuse but players like Pavelski still managed to produce
Jul. 9, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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I can use the same argument for Gallagher and Lee too. It's not only Kreider. If Kreider was on the Devils, I would hate that contract.
Kreider, Gallagher, Lee haven't been as consistent as Pavelski and their inconsistent PPG, limited roles (except Lee), age, etc all are red flags
You can use this season as an excuse but players like Pavelski still managed to produce


For the next 3-4 years Kreider will have a similar production as before, there is 0 concern for this. Money well spent

Then, cap will 💯 go up with all the new tv deals, marketing plans. Making his cap hit even less an issue

Now if we needed to move him for any reason(cap space but unlikely using common sense to forecast the increase) we could move him very easily. He still produces goal, assists, hits, PP, PK, SPEED. Now will TOR want to add him? Possibly, but he will likely be dealt to a team like CBJ/ARZ/FLA (poor af) who want to pay players less than their cap hit.. Hence the rich teams front loading contracts. Now if for some unknown reason we needed to give more incentive to take him, poor teams need pics more than the rich ones do… draft capital can be moved.. it’s a very simple concept
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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I can use the same argument for Gallagher and Lee too. It's not only Kreider. If Kreider was on the Devils, I would hate that contract.
Kreider, Gallagher, Lee haven't been as consistent as Pavelski and their inconsistent PPG, limited roles (except Lee), age, etc all are red flags
You can use this season as an excuse but players like Pavelski still managed to produce


Kreider was on pace for 50 points this year, how is that not considered consistent?
the last 5 seasons Kreider's adjusted point total has been 58, 53, 54, 58 and 50...
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 1:08 p.m.
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Kreider was on pace for 50 points this year, how is that not considered consistent?
the last 5 seasons Kreider's adjusted point total has been 58, 53, 54, 58 and 50...


You see the decline of 53 to 54 to 58? Now with Mika having the cold start and Kreids being move to the 3rd line later in the season we can easily understand the 50 this season. Oh and why not add he was returning from a broken leg injury.. those 8 points are such a massive fall off
Jul. 9, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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Kreider was on pace for 50 points this year, how is that not considered consistent?
the last 5 seasons Kreider's adjusted point total has been 58, 53, 54, 58 and 50...


The inconsistent PPG was more towards Lee, not Kreider. But Kreider is less consistent than Pavelski
Jul. 9, 2021 at 2:14 p.m.
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The inconsistent PPG was more towards Lee, not Kreider. But Kreider is less consistent than Pavelski


you are talking yourself into circles - figure it out guy.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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you are talking yourself into circles - figure it out guy.


Cool, keep being annoying
Jul. 9, 2021 at 2:30 p.m.
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Cool, keep being annoying


only to the clueless of this site.
thanks for providing ammo.
 
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