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Alrighty lets talk, there has been tons of controversy with Burtuzzi trades on here, ranging from Wings fans asking For Sandin Robertson and a first, to leaf fans asking for Mikheyev and stuff lmao. But, i think we can all agree... i hope, that Burtuzzi wont get Robertson or Sandin, unless its a 1 for 1 but i dont think the leafs do that. SOOOO, i think this trade is extremely fair. This is essentially the Kapanen trade, so i undertsnad why wings fans would like a Second or something to go with it, but the leafs cant afford that. I understand that the Wings fans dont care what we can or cant do because at the end of the day, we are trading for him. But, lets have a chat. Please try to keep it clean in the comments, lets have a chill talk.

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Jul. 9, 2021 at 8:35 p.m.
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Is Engvall out for the season or something? Why is he ON LTIR?
Jul. 9, 2021 at 8:36 p.m.
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My first thought was Amirov+1st+Dermott so pretty close. I think Detroit hard pursues Sandin though, so they can use pick 6 on Eklund instead of a top LD, and also just have all the Swedes. If they get Amirov instead they probably definitely use pick 6 on a LD. Toronto shouldn’t trade Sandin though, which is why I ultimately think it’ll end up being Amirov+Dermott+1st or something similar.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 8:41 p.m.
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Think of it this way. If somebody came into your house right now and demanded to buy your TV, what do you do? Do you ask for market value, or what you pay for it? Do you have them buy you a lesser TV and pay the difference? Do you make them overpay because then you have to go out of your way to find a new TV, get it home, and get it set up? You don't have to sell your TV, and could keep it until it gets replaced.
You should want to make the person overpay. By selling off your TV, you're actively making more work for yourself when you could just enjoy what you have.

That's how Wings fans feel about Bertuzzi. They don't want to trade him at all. They would need an offer they couldn't refuse to part with him. Amirov, Robertson, and a 1st is in that territory. Much like with Mantha. Constant lowball and market value trades, but Detroit only parted with him for a massive overpay.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 8:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
My first thought was Amirov+1st+Dermott so pretty close. I think Detroit hard pursues Sandin though, so they can use pick 6 on Eklund instead of a top LD, and also just have all the Swedes. If they get Amirov instead they probably definitely use pick 6 on a LD. Toronto shouldn’t trade Sandin though, which is why I ultimately think it’ll end up being Amirov+Dermott+1st or something similar.


Agreed, close and probably one of the better offers on here so far (in terms of fairness).

I’m personally keeping Bert (he’s my favorite player) and moving him at a later season as it’s sadly inevitable.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 8:44 p.m.
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Think of it this way. If somebody came into your house right now and demanded to buy your TV, what do you do? Do you ask for market value, or what you pay for it? Do you have them buy you a lesser TV and pay the difference? Do you make them overpay because then you have to go out of your way to find a new TV, get it home, and get it set up? You don't have to sell your TV, and could keep it until it gets replaced.
You should want to make the person overpay. By selling off your TV, you're actively making more work for yourself when you could just enjoy what you have.

That's how Wings fans feel about Bertuzzi. They don't want to trade him at all. They would need an offer they couldn't refuse to part with him. Amirov, Robertson, and a 1st is in that territory. Much like with Mantha. Constant lowball and market value trades, but Detroit only parted with him for a massive overpay.


If he’s on a 1 year deal come TDL with no indication of an extension, that’s when this becomes a moot point. But until then, you nailed it.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:03 p.m.
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I would definitely prefer to get one of their top 3 prospects personally, but I don't think this is too far off mine.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:06 p.m.
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Is Engvall out for the season or something? Why is he ON LTIR?


Sorry my bad i just think hes gone lmao
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:07 p.m.
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My first thought was Amirov+1st+Dermott so pretty close. I think Detroit hard pursues Sandin though, so they can use pick 6 on Eklund instead of a top LD, and also just have all the Swedes. If they get Amirov instead they probably definitely use pick 6 on a LD. Toronto shouldn’t trade Sandin though, which is why I ultimately think it’ll end up being Amirov+Dermott+1st or something similar.


The reason why i didnt include Dermott is because i dont know if they move him after just signing him. I didnt really know u guys want him cuz i always see yall get mad when leaf fans trade him for picks. But thats fine wit me. Good trade proposel.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:08 p.m.
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Sorry my bad i just think hes gone lmao


Ahhh makes sense, he could be included in the trade for cap relief, but I just prefer mikheyev hence why mine might be a bit more complicated.

When I made my trade offer I tried to make it good for Detroit without touching Toronto's top 3 prospects. I put in Mikheyev for cap relief and to fill the hole left by Bertuzzi and upgrading the fourth to a third just for a touch extra value.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: HypotheticalImpossibility
Think of it this way. If somebody came into your house right now and demanded to buy your TV, what do you do? Do you ask for market value, or what you pay for it? Do you have them buy you a lesser TV and pay the difference? Do you make them overpay because then you have to go out of your way to find a new TV, get it home, and get it set up? You don't have to sell your TV, and could keep it until it gets replaced.
You should want to make the person overpay. By selling off your TV, you're actively making more work for yourself when you could just enjoy what you have.

That's how Wings fans feel about Bertuzzi. They don't want to trade him at all. They would need an offer they couldn't refuse to part with him. Amirov, Robertson, and a 1st is in that territory. Much like with Mantha. Constant lowball and market value trades, but Detroit only parted with him for a massive overpay.


Fair, but if thats the case, the leafs just dont do it.
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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The reason why i didnt include Dermott is because i dont know if they move him after just signing him. I didnt really know u guys want him cuz i always see yall get mad when leaf fans trade him for picks. But thats fine wit me. Good trade proposel.


The thing with Dermott is we don't want him if we are paying for him. If he is a cheap throw in and we still feel the value is appropriate without including him in the trade then sure, we need LD this season. Guys just get worked up when people have Detroit paying assets for him as that doesn't make sense when we can just sign someone or bring in a bad contract or two to fill those roster spots.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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Ahhh makes sense, he could be included in the trade for cap relief, but I just prefer mikheyev hence why mine might be a bit more complicated.

When I made my trade offer I tried to make it good for Detroit without touching Toronto's top 3 prospects. I put in Mikheyev for cap relief and to fill the hole left by Bertuzzi and upgrading the fourth to a third just for a touch extra value.


So whats ur offer?
Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:16 p.m.
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So whats ur offer?


The one published right before yours, you said was too unrealistic and weird lol

Liljegren, Abramov, Mikheyev a 2022 1st and a 2023 3rd for Bertuzzi and a 2022 fourth from Vegas or Colorado.
Liljegren adds much needed RD depth as we don't have much after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom. Abramov adds a centre prospect which we could use. Mikheyev fills the roster spot left by Bertuzzi in a middle 6 roll. Zadina will take the top line minutes now. He also provides Toronto with a bit more cap flexibility as they could probably sign two players for what he costs. The 2022 first will probably be bottom 8 I'm guessing, if the leafs get passed the first round, so I have them upgrading 2022 late fourth for a 2023 probably late third to add a little extra value.

This way Toronto keeps its top 3 prospects and Detroit gets a good haul filling some needs.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:20 p.m.
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The one published right before yours, you said was too unrealistic and weird lol

Liljegren, Abramov, Mikheyev a 2022 1st and a 2023 3rd for Bertuzzi and a 2022 fourth from Vegas or Colorado.
Liljegren adds much needed RD depth as we don't have much after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom. Abramov adds a centre prospect which we could use. Mikheyev fills the roster spot left by Bertuzzi in a middle 6 roll. Zadina will take the top line minutes now. He also provides Toronto with a bit more cap flexibility as they could probably sign two players for what he costs. The 2022 first will probably be bottom 8 I'm guessing, if the leafs get passed the first round, so I have them upgrading 2022 late fourth for a 2023 probably late third to add a little extra value.

This way Toronto keeps its top 3 prospects and Detroit gets a good haul filling some needs.


Oh ok. Hm. Sounds decent.
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:21 p.m.
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Oh ok. Hm. Sounds decent.


I think once explained it makes more sense for people, I didn't do an explanation cause I'm drunk and forgot lol
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Jul. 9, 2021 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
The one published right before yours, you said was too unrealistic and weird lol

Liljegren, Abramov, Mikheyev a 2022 1st and a 2023 3rd for Bertuzzi and a 2022 fourth from Vegas or Colorado.
Liljegren adds much needed RD depth as we don't have much after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom. Abramov adds a centre prospect which we could use. Mikheyev fills the roster spot left by Bertuzzi in a middle 6 roll. Zadina will take the top line minutes now. He also provides Toronto with a bit more cap flexibility as they could probably sign two players for what he costs. The 2022 first will probably be bottom 8 I'm guessing, if the leafs get passed the first round, so I have them upgrading 2022 late fourth for a 2023 probably late third to add a little extra value.

This way Toronto keeps its top 3 prospects and Detroit gets a good haul filling some needs.


Don't have much RHD depth after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom, how much ****ing RHD depth do the Wings need?!!.. Lol
Jul. 9, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.
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Don't have much RHD depth after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom, how much ****ing RHD depth do the Wings need?!!.. Lol


Yea thats why i dont think Liljegren will be in the trade lol. Hronek and Sieder is good enough imo.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 12:57 a.m.
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Don't have much RHD depth after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom, how much ****ing RHD depth do the Wings need?!!.. Lol


Those two are really good but Lindstrom is a third pairing guy probably for his career, if one gets injured or decides to move on from Detroit then there is no one to fill that hole. It's like say you have Reilly, muzzin and Dermot, why do you need Sandin?
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 12:58 a.m.
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Yea thats why i dont think Liljegren will be in the trade lol. Hronek and Sieder is good enough imo.


I would prefer amirov, Sandin or Robertson personally
Jul. 10, 2021 at 3:23 a.m.
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My first thought was Amirov+1st+Dermott so pretty close. I think Detroit hard pursues Sandin though, so they can use pick 6 on Eklund instead of a top LD, and also just have all the Swedes. If they get Amirov instead they probably definitely use pick 6 on a LD. Toronto shouldn’t trade Sandin though, which is why I ultimately think it’ll end up being Amirov+Dermott+1st or something similar.


Detroit have 9 LD prospects, 6 of which were picked in the top 3 rounds, 2 of which are very close to making the team.

LD is the least of their needs. Litterally all other positions are in much greater need for good prospects than LD.
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 3:34 a.m.
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Don't have much RHD depth after Hronek, Seider and Lindstrom, how much ****ing RHD depth do the Wings need?!!.. Lol


Detroit have one (1) prospect in Grand Rapids and he is not capable of covering for an injury.

Stecher is UFA after next season and may have to be traded at the deadline. If that happens we would have no one at all to bring up in case of injury.

Liljegren fills a need, both in the short term as an injury backup and in the longer term as it allows the team flexibility in how to deal with Stecher's expiring contract.

Detroit have no prospect they can sign on RD at this time, our best prospect Tuomisto is in college until 2024.

All of that information could have been had if you only had bothered to take a quick look at the Detroit depth chart before attacking your keyboard.
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Detroit have one (1) prospect in Grand Rapids and he is not capable of covering for an injury.

Stecher is UFA after next season and may have to be traded at the deadline. If that happens we would have no one at all to bring up in case of injury.

Liljegren fills a need, both in the short term as an injury backup and in the longer term as it allows the team flexibility in how to deal with Stecher's expiring contract.

Detroit have no prospect they can sign on RD at this time, our best prospect Tuomisto is in college until 2024.

All of that information could have been had if you only had bothered to take a quick look at the Detroit depth chart before attacking your keyboard.


Yeah cause there's zero chance Tuomisto could leave college to turn pro.

There's other ways to fill the 3rd pair RHD position, maybe they extend Stecher or sign another free agent.

I really like Bertuzzi but adding Liljegren is too much, can't see Toronto doing that but who knows and to be honest if that deal did happen Liljegren just gets lost in the depth chart and probably lost to waivers anyway as Detroit has more than enough RHD and there's potential to sign a guy in free agency to fill the 3rd pair spot.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 6:24 a.m.
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Those two are really good but Lindstrom is a third pairing guy probably for his career, if one gets injured or decides to move on from Detroit then there is no one to fill that hole. It's like say you have Reilly, muzzin and Dermot, why do you need Sandin?


If those guys move on? You're looking way too far ahead, Seider hasn't played a game for the Wings yet.. Lol
Jul. 10, 2021 at 6:29 a.m.
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Yeah cause there's zero chance Tuomisto could leave college to turn pro.

There's other ways to fill the 3rd pair RHD position, maybe they extend Stecher or sign another free agent.

I really like Bertuzzi but adding Liljegren is too much, can't see Toronto doing that but who knows and to be honest if that deal did happen Liljegren just gets lost in the depth chart and probably lost to waivers anyway as Detroit has more than enough RHD and there's potential to sign a guy in free agency to fill the 3rd pair spot.


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Yeah cause there's zero chance Tuomisto could leave college to turn pro.

There's other ways to fill the 3rd pair RHD position, maybe they extend Stecher or sign another free agent.

I really like Bertuzzi but adding Liljegren is too much, can't see Toronto doing that but who knows and to be honest if that deal did happen Liljegren just gets lost in the depth chart and probably lost to waivers anyway as Detroit has more than enough RHD and there's potential to sign a guy in free agency to fill the 3rd pair spot.


Do you have trouble understanding?

Detroit needs a RD that is waiver exempt.
We need him on the team next season.

Tuomisto will not be on the team next season.

Detroit is not looking for a 3rd pair RD.
Detroit is looking for a prospect that is good enough to do injury call-ups.
Detroit does not currently have such a player.

Have I put it in simple enough terms for you to understand?
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 6:34 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
If those guys move on? You're looking way too far ahead, Seider hasn't played a game for the Wings yet.. Lol


You're out of your mind!

Looking ahead several years is the very definition of "building a team".

Ever heard the proverb "Failing to plan is planning to fail"?

Just because you're too dumb to do so doesn't mean everyone else have to follow your example.
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