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Oscar Kelfbom

Created by: exo2769
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2021
Published: Jul. 10, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
What do EDM fans think of Oscar Kelfbom???

Just open thoughts. Is he good? Is he bad? Do you want him back? Would having him back help the Oilers?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marody, Cooper2$900,000
Yamamoto, Kailer6$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Driedger, Chris2$3,500,000
Coleman, Blake4$3,500,000
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
EDM
EDM
EDM
PIT
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2023
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,282,172$669,339$1,757,500$5,217,828
Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
$4,000,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
EDM
Puljujärvi, Jesse
$1,175,000
RW
RFA - 1
Coleman, Blake
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 6
EDM
Turris, Kyle
$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Marody, Cooper
$900,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
EDM
Shore, Devin
$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
EDM
McLeod, Ryan
$834,167
C
RFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
EDM
Bear, Ethan
$2,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
Driedger, Chris
$3,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
EDM
Stalock, Alex
$785,000
G
UFA - 1
EDM
Broberg, Philip
$863,333
LD
RFA - 3
EDM
Russell, Kris
$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Lagesson, William
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Neal, James
$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
EDM
Jones, Caleb
$850,000 ($0)
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000 ($3,375,000)
G
NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:28 a.m.
#1
Joined: Apr. 2018
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He'd be the Oilers 2nd best defenseman if healthy and playing like he can. Even if he came back on the third pair and played 17 minutes a night that would solidify the left side immensely.
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:30 a.m.
#2
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Hit em with the link to the analytics comparison exo, I know you want to
Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:34 a.m.
#3
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exo2769
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https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8470281&p2=8476472&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
#4
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exo2769
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Quoting: Wadejos123
Hit em with the link to the analytics comparison exo, I know you want to


You have to wait and let more people Love on Klef. It's a slow play
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.
#5
Puck you, puck ur wi
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Most ppl are saying he is done
Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
#6
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exo2769
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Quoting: DONTGIVEAPUCK13
Most ppl are saying he is done


But what if he wasn't? Would you like him back or give Jones/Laggeson his role over Klef?
Jul. 10, 2021 at 10:43 a.m.
#7
Puck you, puck ur wi
Joined: Jul. 2018
Posts: 992
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Quoting: exo2769
But what if he wasn't? Would you like him back or give Jones/Laggeson his role over Klef?


If he is back this teams D is awesome. I wouldn't give Jones or Laggeson his role with Kelf not being back. Need to trade or sign someone. Elkholm would be a great add for that spot
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 11:05 a.m.
#8
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
He'd be the Oilers 2nd best defenseman if healthy and playing like he can. Even if he came back on the third pair and played 17 minutes a night that would solidify the left side immensely.


To be fair, I'd say the same for Keith in regards to playing on the third pair tears of joy
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 11:07 a.m.
#9
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
To be fair, I'd say the same for Keith in regards to playing on the third pair tears of joy


And now you can see your bias. It's a bit eye opening. EDM fans LOVE Kelf and they should. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just when it comes to players on a different team...EDM fans are like Na, he's a scrub! but in reality they're very much the same.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 11:45 a.m.
#10
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Quoting: exo2769
And now you can see your bias. It's a bit eye opening. EDM fans LOVE Kelf and they should. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just when it comes to players on a different team...EDM fans are like Na, he's a scrub! but in reality they're very much the same.


I wouldn't call it a bias, I haven't been one of those crapping all over Keith like others have. I do think he would be a decent addition, but not at his current cap hit. I'd take him around 3 M. Klefbom is still in his "prime" and makes 1.5 M less than Keith. So I still don't think you can compare them straight across.
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
I wouldn't call it a bias, I haven't been one of those crapping all over Keith like others have. I do think he would be a decent addition, but not at his current cap hit. I'd take him around 3 M. Klefbom is still in his "prime" and makes 1.5 M less than Keith. So I still don't think you can compare them straight across.


I hear ya in the cap. Technically Keith's salary is $1.8M per year. I'm not trying to lump all EDM fans together. I just put up those analytics because even at 37 Keith was just as good as Klef at 26. Eye test is something that's subjective and I agree can tell a different story.
Keith has been training 5 different rookies. I like Klef a lot. Would love him in the Hawks.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
#12
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Edited Jul. 10, 2021 at 1:49 p.m.
Quoting: exo2769
I hear ya in the cap. Technically Keith's salary is $1.8M per year. I'm not trying to lump all EDM fans together. I just put up those analytics because even at 37 Keith was just as good as Klef at 26. Eye test is something that's subjective and I agree can tell a different story.
Keith has been training 5 different rookies. I like Klef a lot. Would love him in the Hawks.


Well yea, I more so meant just cap hit haha. But yea I agree some people look at Keith's WAR, and are like well this guy is crap. Situation is a big factor. I heard Keith's most common partner was a rookie Ian Mitchell? And even that was only 26 percent of the time? Not ideal. I would play him with Larsson as opposed to a rookie in Bouchard.

Sadly it's looking like Klefbom is done. At least done being a big minute eater. Maybe could play in a limited role.
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
#13
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
Well yea, I more so meant just cap hit haha. But yea I agree some people look at Keith's WAR, and are like well this guy is crap. Situation is a big factor. I heard Keith's most common partner was a rookie Ian Mitchell? And even that was only 26 percent of the time? Not ideal. I would play him with Larsson as opposed to a rookie in Bouchard.

Sadly it's looking like Klefbom is done. At least done being a big minute eater. Maybe could play in a limited role.


Mitchell did better without Keith this year. You can't blame Keith's numbers on Mitchell.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
#14
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Quoting: Wadejos123
Hit em with the link to the analytics comparison exo, I know you want to


So a healthy Keith was better in 2019-20 than an injured Klefbom? Whoop whoop. Keith's numbers fell off the cliff this year, Klefbom may never play again. Keith is 12 years older and gets paid more... I'm failing to see how this "comp" makes Keith look good.
Jul. 10, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.
#15
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Edited Jul. 10, 2021 at 3:05 p.m.
Quoting: CD282
So a healthy Keith was better in 2019-20 than an injured Klefbom? Whoop whoop. Keith's numbers fell off the cliff this year, Klefbom may never play again. Keith is 12 years older and gets paid more... I'm failing to see how this "comp" makes Keith look good.


Woah Woah Woah! YOU'RE Mr. Analytics without ANY context what so ever. That's YOU. Stop making excuses.

I'm saying, Hey Let's actually understand what's going on here. There's a story behind analytics. Klef wasn't 100% (BUT not nearly as injured as you're suggesting either. He did play 25:25 ATOI over 62 games) and Keith's been training 5 different rookies.

Now that you know your argument doesn't mean jack...you're attempting (poorly) to back peddle and move away from analytics.

AND he doesn't get paid more. He gets paid a salary which is $2M next year and then $1.6M while Klef is owed $4.5M and $5.2M if he plays.
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: CD282
So a healthy Keith was better in 2019-20 than an injured Klefbom? Whoop whoop. Keith's numbers fell off the cliff this year, Klefbom may never play again. Keith is 12 years older and gets paid more... I'm failing to see how this "comp" makes Keith look good.


Look back through my post history and you'll see I always say analytics don't tell the whole story. The eye test also doesn't tell the whole story. It takes a mix of both. Oilers fans are the ones that are all over the analytics with no contex though. Most of you live and die by Corsi lol
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Jul. 10, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
#17
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Quoting: CD282
Mitchell did better without Keith this year. You can't blame Keith's numbers on Mitchell.


I'm not
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Jul. 12, 2021 at 7:54 a.m.
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Quoting: exo2769
Woah Woah Woah! YOU'RE Mr. Analytics without ANY context what so ever. That's YOU. Stop making excuses.

I'm saying, Hey Let's actually understand what's going on here. There's a story behind analytics. Klef wasn't 100% (BUT not nearly as injured as you're suggesting either. He did play 25:25 ATOI over 62 games) and Keith's been training 5 different rookies.

Now that you know your argument doesn't mean jack...you're attempting (poorly) to back peddle and move away from analytics.

AND he doesn't get paid more. He gets paid a salary which is $2M next year and then $1.6M while Klef is owed $4.5M and $5.2M if he plays.


You're completely ignoring the fact that 2020-21 Keith was half the player 2019-20 Keith was.
Jul. 12, 2021 at 7:56 a.m.
#19
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Quoting: Wadejos123
Look back through my post history and you'll see I always say analytics don't tell the whole story. The eye test also doesn't tell the whole story. It takes a mix of both. Oilers fans are the ones that are all over the analytics with no contex though. Most of you live and die by Corsi lol


Where did I mention corsi? Looks like you live and die by beating up strawmen! tears of joy

The fact is that '21 Keith was half the player 19-20 Keith was, and Klefbom was playing injured, so the "comp" has ZERO bearing of Keith's value today (which must be judged on a projection of the next 2 years).
Jul. 12, 2021 at 7:57 a.m.
#20
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Quoting: Eberles_Backcheck
I'm not


Nope, but they are.
 
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