From a Vancouver perspective - Ownership will not retain salary on multi-year deals.
What would the trade look like if.....and/or,
1. No retained salary
2. Bean is included
3. UFA rights to Hakanpaa

That’s not 2.5M I’m retention. It’s 5M in retention since it’s 2 years plus the contract is backloaded so you’d be looking at a first round pick to facilitate that from a third party.

Can't see Vancouver retaining that much.

What if the retention was dropped to 500k and the 4th was upgraded to a 3rd

Probably true and its not super necessary. I would drop the retention to 500k

The price for detroit to take a total of 5 mil cap hit from mark staal last year was a 2nd. The cap hit for tarasenko is spread across 2 years so i think a 2nd is fair in this instance

We got a player we needed too in that Staal deal. And the $$ was only 3.2 million.

Detroit will decline for anything less than a 1st.

something i would consider, but i know based on numerous reports/suggestions, Ownership wont

I think a 1st is just way too steep of an ask. Maybe i would add a B prospect to the deal or something. If the cost is a 1st it just doesnt make sense for the canes, it is way to big of a risk for the canes

5.7M AAV & 3.2M cash for a player that filled a need playing 18+ mins a night. What you’re asking is 5M AAV, a retention slot for 2 years, and 3.75M cash for someone who isn’t going to contribute to Detroit. For reference look up how much Marleau’s dead space cost Toronto or compare the Staal deal to what you’re proposing.

The way i looked at it was you paid a 3rd last year and you got 1 year of the player + a 2nd to take a small cap hit for the next 4 years

Foegele would be a good fit in Detroit.

Yes i understand that, but the marleau deal the cap hit had to all be absorbed by a team in one season which raises the price significantly. The 2.5 for 2 seasons has no effect on detroit's cap as they wont be near the limit in the 2 years. If it doesnt work because detroit will only take a first so be it, but i maintain that is to rich on an ask

Don't forget we got a useful player in Marc Staal, This trade doesn't benefit us one iota other then then retaining $5,000,000 for 2 years. So yeah the cost is going to be a 1st round pick like it or nor.

It would be better for Detroit if it had been 5 in one year. There's a cost to taking up one of the three retention slots for two years instead of one. It's also much easier to plan ahead if the cap disappears next year. So you've got your reasoning arse about face.

I think adding a player like bokk to the Detroit trade or foegele. Foegele obviously can't be had if he goes to the blues. The thing with the two years as well is that's two years for one retention slot, the first year is also 3.135M of actual cash, that's already what mark Staal was basically. Then throw is the 1.8+M for the year after of cash and that's where the increase in value is needed. You can consider the first year equal to Staal, second year plus the retention slot, plus the fact we aren't using this player, plus the fact cap is a premium, a second just won't do it. I think Bokk would keep most people happy or someone else similar.

Also even though we aren't close to the cap, it's not a charity. There are alot of cap dump scenarios where we can take on cap for assets, and those assets will likely be greater than what is offered. There is also the chance ownership doesn't want to spend dead money either, I'm not sure what their perspective would be on the situation.

Also Marleau was only 4.25M of actually cash, not the 6.25M line the cap hit.

The Marleau deal was also pre-COVID. It was also widely reported that the Canes would try to actually ice him also but if they couldn’t come to an agreement would buy him out as a worst case scenario. Yzerman has mentioned multiple times the shorter the deal the easier it is to plan and stay flexible. Can you provide a single comp to justify only a second round pick for that retention which is deadcap for the retaining team? If it’s too rich then counter with prospects/picks.


It was actually 3.83M in cash.