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Next Years D UFAs plus cap space plus TOR expansion trade

Created by: exo2769
Initial Creation Date: Jul 13, 2021
Published: Jul 13 at 9:51
Team: 2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks
Team Explanation
Next year's Defensive UFAs are Lindholm, Jones, Rielly, Pullock, Nurse, Parayko, Ekholm, Klingberg, plus more. The Hawks don't need to lose assets this year AT ALL. if CBJ wants the 30th pick in 2022 and a minor prospect for retaining on Seth Jones...fine. They can do that. Chicago should NOT be sending their 2021 1st rounder at all for him...even if that's all there is to send.

TOR is about to lose Kerfoot to Seattle for nothing....so is the LTIR bucket for Shaw next year and Nylander worth a 2nd. I tend to think that from TOR's perspective it is. The money for Shaw really isn't much for them...AND they can gain additional cap space for a TDL acquisition. Plus Nylander is a project that's expansion exempt.

I know Benning has said he won't shed assets to lose Ericsson. I just don't understand why though. VAN should be extending Hughes and Petterson long term right now.

CBJ still need centers. I'm bias, I know, but I do think Strome has more value that this site believes. It's not his fault the Blackhawks won the lottery and got to draft Dach.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Suter, Pius3$2,250,000
Hagel, Brandon3$2,000,000
Kämpf, David2$1,100,000
Zadorov, Nikita4$4,000,000
Trades
CHI
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
About to lose him to Seattle for nothing. Also comes with a handshake that after the season starts...Shaw will be sent to TOR for LTIR purposes for future considerations.... so that happens after Day 1 of the season
TOR
  1. Nylander, Alexander [RFA Rights]
  2. Shaw, Andrew
CHI
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Holtby, Braden
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Connolly, Brett
CHI
  1. 2021 1st round pick (TBL)
CBJ
  1. Strome, Dylan
  2. Nordgren, Niklas [Reserve List]
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Olli Määttä: $750,108 (18%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
CHI
TBL
CHI
VGK
VAN
CHI
VAN
CHI
CHI
FLA
2022
CHI
CHI
TOR
CHI
EDM
VGK
CHI
CHI
CHI
2023
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
CHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$74,239,214$452,439$5,082,500$7,260,786
Left WingCenterRight Wing
CHI
Kubalik, Dominik
$3,700,000
LW
RFA - 1
CHI
Toews, Jonathan
$10,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
CHI
Dach, Kirby
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
DeBrincat, Alex
$6,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
CHI
Suter, Pius
$2,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
CHI
Kane, Patrick
$10,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
CHI
Borgström, Henrik
$1,000,000
C
RFA - 2
CHI
Hagel, Brandon
$2,000,000
LW
RFA - 3
CHI
Kurashev, Philipp
$842,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
CHI
Kämpf, David
$1,100,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
CHI
Carpenter, Ryan
$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
CHI
Kalynuk, Wyatt
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
CHI
Murphy, Connor
$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
CHI
Lankinen, Kevin
$800,000
G
UFA - 1
CHI
Stillman, Riley
$1,350,000
LD
RFA - 3
CHI
Mitchell, Ian
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
VAN
Holtby, Braden
$4,300,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
CHI
Zadorov, Nikita
$4,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
CHI
Boqvist, Adam
$894,167
RD
RFA - 1
VAN
Holtby, Braden
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
CHI
De Haan, Calvin
$4,550,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
CHI
Jones, Caleb
$850,000
LD
RFA - 1
CHI
Seabrook, Brent
$6,875,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000 ($4,875,000)
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
CHI
Subban, Malcolm
$850,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 1
CHI
Delia, Collin
$1,000,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 1

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Jul 13 at 9:55
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By trading Shaw to Toronto you’re eliminating their ability to accrue any cap space for the deadline. Unless they have a long term injury I don’t know about to start they year, it makes no sense for them to trade for Shaw.
Jul 13 at 9:57
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Why would TOR lose Kerfoot for free?

Makes no sense for the Leafs. They are adding the best two assets on the exchange.
Jul 13 at 9:58
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
By trading Shaw to Toronto you’re eliminating their ability to accrue any cap space for the deadline. Unless they have a long term injury I don’t know about to start they year, it makes no sense for them to trade for Shaw.


Tor isn't eliminating any space at all They're actually gaining cap space.

If Shaw gets traded after the season starts...which is assumed to occur in the trade above...then the Leafs actually create more cap space through LTIR since Shaw is retired.
Jul 13 at 9:58
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Leafs would trade Kerfoot to a team for something than to the blackhawks for nothing
Jul 13 at 9:58
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VAN accepts in a heartbeat
Jul 13 at 9:58
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Quoting: justaBoss
Why would TOR lose Kerfoot for free?

Makes no sense for the Leafs. They are adding the best two assets on the exchange.


Is this better or worse than losing Kerfoot to Seattle for nothing in return?
Jul 13 at 9:59
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Quoting: ApparentlyOilFan
Leafs would trade Kerfoot to a team for something than to the blackhawks for nothing


They are getting something. Nylander and more cap space through LTIR. TOR is about to lose him to Seattle for literally nothing in return.
Jul 13 at 9:59
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Quoting: exo2769
Is this better or worse than losing Kerfoot to Seattle for nothing in return?


Why would they lose him? They can go 7-3-1 and protect him.
Jul 13 at 10:01
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Quoting: justaBoss
Why would they lose him? They can go 7-3-1 and protect him.


They need the cap space. $3.5M in immediate assistance plus Shaw's LTIR of $3.9M is a big deal come TDL time. PLUS, they can go 8-1 if they do this A Nylander is exempt and makes the team.
Jul 13 at 10:02
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Why would CBJ lose a first rounder when they’re going into a rebuild? I personally like Strome but the team you’re sending him to doesn’t make sense imo
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Jul 13 at 10:03
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Quoting: vikhodush
Why would CBJ lose a first rounder when they’re going into a rebuild? I personally like Strome but the team you’re sending him to doesn’t make sense imo


Yeah, this was the biggest question in my mind. I still think he has a lot of value. I don't think the last pick in the 1st round in a weak draft is that special...So that's why I made the trade, but I hear ya.
Jul 13 at 10:10
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Quoting: exo2769
Tor isn't eliminating any space at all They're actually gaining cap space.

If Shaw gets traded after the season starts...which is assumed to occur in the trade above...then the Leafs actually create more cap space through LTIR since Shaw is retired.


That’s not how LTIR works. Since Toronto doesn’t have any other LTIR contracts, trading for Shaw is eliminating Toronto’s ability to accrue cap space.
Jul 13 at 10:11
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Listen Exo, we are usually on the same wavelength about a lot of things… but that Toronto trade isn’t it.
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Jul 13 at 10:12
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Quoting: major_hassle
VAN accepts in a heartbeat


no they dont
Jul 13 at 10:12
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
That’s not how LTIR works. Since Toronto doesn’t have any other LTIR contracts, trading for Shaw is eliminating Toronto’s ability to accrue cap space.


You're wrong. Teams trade for LTIR contracts all the time. TOR specifically does this. Clarkson was an LTIR acquisition. The issue is whether someone is declared LTIR in the summer OR whether they are declared LTIR during the year. The assumption I'm making is that Shaw stays on the Hawks until Day 2 of the season...which then he gets sent to LTIR and moved to TOR so that they can accrue cap space.
Jul 13 at 10:13
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40th overall pick is not worth dumping salary they dont have too - bury Eriksson in the minors and retain salary trade Holtby or buy him out - its cheap.
Jul 13 at 10:13
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Quoting: exo2769
They need the cap space. $3.5M in immediate assistance plus Shaw's LTIR of $3.9M is a big deal come TDL time. PLUS, they can go 8-1 if they do this A Nylander is exempt and makes the team.


Just move Kerfoot for a pick if necessary. Shaw is worth very little for them if they have no one else to put to LTIR, and Nylander hasn't played any games in a year.
Jul 13 at 10:13
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
Listen Exo, we are usually on the same wavelength about a lot of things… but that Toronto trade isn’t it.


You really like Nylander. I'm indifferent. I don't dislike him. I think he's been a capable bottom 6 guy, but I see that as his ceiling. Kerfoot has more speed.
Jul 13 at 10:14
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You're wrong. Teams trade for LTIR contracts all the time. TOR specifically does this. Clarkson was an LTIR acquisition. The issue is whether someone is declared LTIR in the summer OR whether they are declared LTIR during the year. The assumption I'm making is that Shaw stays on the Hawks until Day 2 of the season...which then he gets sent to LTIR and moved to TOR so that they can accrue cap space.


They acquired Clarkson because they had Horton on LTIR. They could accrue more LTIR cap space by placing more cap on there.

It's pretty much what TB did with Gaborik and Nilsson, after it was confirmed that Kuch was also going to be on LTIR for the regular season.
Jul 13 at 10:15
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Quoting: justaBoss
Just move Kerfoot for a pick if necessary. Shaw is worth very little for them if they have no one else to put to LTIR, and Nylander hasn't played any games in a year.


Who is willing to accept Kerfoot? You need to find other teams that have available forward slots. No one is giving TOR a pick if he's just going to be lost to Seattle.
Jul 13 at 10:16
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Who is willing to accept Kerfoot? You need to find other teams that have available forward slots. No one is giving TOR a pick if he's just going to be lost to Seattle.


I say they'll protect him and move him in the draft if necessary. They have no urgent need to move the guy, he did pretty well in latest playoffs.
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Jul 13 at 10:21
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Quoting: justaBoss
Just move Kerfoot for a pick if necessary. Shaw is worth very little for them if they have no one else to put to LTIR, and Nylander hasn't played any games in a year.


The difference here is that Shaw is a benefit cap wise because he's not coming back. The Leafs will always have that space available to them.

https://puckpedia.com/news/LTIRTrade
Jul 13 at 10:26
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The difference here is that Shaw is a benefit cap wise because he's not coming back. The Leafs will always have that space available to them.

https://puckpedia.com/news/LTIRTrade


If I understood that article correctly, Shaw would help them if TOR had other players on LTIR as well. They used the Clarkson example that worked because they had Horton, and adding Zetterberg would've made sense with Kucherov on LTIR last year too.

They could add Shaw, but technically he would provide them good cap relief only starting in 2022-23. Teams generally do not add LTIR contracts unless they already are over the cap and due to that are using LTIR.
Jul 13 at 10:27
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Quoting: justaBoss
If I understood that article correctly, Shaw would help them if TOR had other players on LTIR as well. They used the Clarkson example that worked because they had Horton, and adding Zetterberg would've made sense with Kucherov on LTIR last year too.


BUT you need to start with someone on LTIR that won't be coming back. This way the Bucket is always open and available in case another player is coming.
Jul 13 at 10:27
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BUT you need to start with someone on LTIR that won't be coming back. This way the Bucket is always open and available in case another player is coming.


Yeah I added on that just now on the previous comment.
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