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Mike Habcock

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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 13, 2021
Published: Jul. 13, 2021
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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    What in the world is that Lehkonen deal. Winnipeg hangs up the phone. The Philly trade is strange but interesting. Like the Suter and Weber reunion if not for the playing quality then for the nostalgia
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: sporkknife
    What in the world is that Lehkonen deal. Winnipeg hangs up the phone. The Philly trade is strange but interesting. Like the Suter and Weber reunion if not for the playing quality then for the nostalgia


    1. Elaborate on the Lehkonen deal
    2. Not at all. Chiarot was loved in Winnipeg and played the top-pairing for the runner up team
    3. Yep very strange, wasn't sure who should add or if it should even just be a 1-for-1. In the end I think Philly "wins" because they shed a significant amount of cap (difference between the two), and one less year on the books for Drouin. If it comes down to it, Drouin is much more buyout-friendly than Vora
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.
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    No thanks. Lek is just a decent bottom sixer which we have and don’t need more for that high a price. Maybe a third would be fair
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    1. Elaborate on the Lehkonen deal
    2. Not at all. Chiarot was loved in Winnipeg and played the top-pairing for the runner up team
    3. Yep very strange, wasn't sure who should add or if it should even just be a 1-for-1. In the end I think Philly "wins" because they shed a significant amount of cap (difference between the two), and one less year on the books for Drouin. If it comes down to it, Drouin is much more buyout-friendly than Vora


    1. Lehkonen was a great guy to have for the Habs, speedy, good on PK. But you just can't move 2nd rounders + for a guy that is strictly in the bottom 6. What you have there looks a lot closer to the Arvidsson deal, who has had multiple 30 goal seasons.

    2. Chiarot I would say the same type of argument as with Lehkonen. I think he's underrated and helps your team in the playoffs especially. But he doesn't move the needle offensively and Winnipeg desperately needs RHD, not LHD, which I believe is part of why he walked in the first place.

    3. Agree
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: sporkknife
    1. Lehkonen was a great guy to have for the Habs, speedy, good on PK. But you just can't move 2nd rounders + for a guy that is strictly in the bottom 6. What you have there looks a lot closer to the Arvidsson deal, who has had multiple 30 goal seasons.

    2. Chiarot I would say the same type of argument as with Lehkonen. I think he's underrated and helps your team in the playoffs especially. But he doesn't move the needle offensively and Winnipeg desperately needs RHD, not LHD, which I believe is part of why he walked in the first place.

    3. Agree


    Lehkonen still has 20-goal potential and is only 24 years old, San Jose desperately needs quality bottom-6 wingers who can contribute defensively (they have been an overall defensive disaster since Pavelski left).

    Chiarot isn't supposed to really "move the needle offensively". Winnipeg has Morrissey on the left side (awful last 2 seasons), and Heinola who will be eased in. He has a lot more trade value than you think.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Lehkonen still has 20-goal potential and is only 24 years old, San Jose desperately needs quality bottom-6 wingers who can contribute defensively (they have been an overall defensive disaster since Pavelski left).

    Chiarot isn't supposed to really "move the needle offensively". Winnipeg has Morrissey on the left side (awful last 2 seasons), and Heinola who will be eased in. He has a lot more trade value than you think.


    uhhhhhh, San Jose definitely is not in need of Bottom 6 wingers, we have plenty, its a decent 3C that is the problem.
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:54 p.m.
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    uhhhhhh, San Jose definitely is not in need of Bottom 6 wingers, we have plenty, its a decent 3C that is the problem.


    Bottom-6 wingers? Sure. Ones that have a mildly decent two-way game? None at all.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Lehkonen still has 20-goal potential and is only 24 years old, San Jose desperately needs quality bottom-6 wingers who can contribute defensively (they have been an overall defensive disaster since Pavelski left).

    Chiarot isn't supposed to really "move the needle offensively". Winnipeg has Morrissey on the left side (awful last 2 seasons), and Heinola who will be eased in. He has a lot more trade value than you think.


    This team did make the final, but these guys hardly got them over the line into the playoffs. Previous pedigree and the player showing their potential consistently matters more than a fans perception of a players potential. Not to mention his point totals have regressed since his rookie season. I know Chiarot isn't supposed to move the needle offensively. But that's usually what adds the most value in a trade, despite the backwards nature of it. I don't see how Pavelski leaving contributed to them being a defensive disaster. Not sure if that's what you were trying to implicate.

    If your point is that solid defense should hold more value than it does, I wholeheartedly agree. The reality is that it doesn't.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:08 p.m.
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    This team did make the final, but these guys hardly got them over the line into the playoffs. Previous pedigree and the player showing their potential consistently matters more than a fans perception of a players potential. Not to mention his point totals have regressed since his rookie season. I know Chiarot isn't supposed to move the needle offensively. But that's usually what adds the most value in a trade, despite the backwards nature of it. I don't see how Pavelski leaving contributed to them being a defensive disaster. Not sure if that's what you were trying to implicate.

    If your point is that solid defense should hold more value than it does, I wholeheartedly agree. The reality is that it doesn't.


    This is very off-base. You're severely underestimating just how much teams truly value solid defensive play. Chiarot was an integral part of Montreal's run and was their most-used player in the postseason. That entire top-4 was key in shutting down key players in all 4 rounds.
    When it comes to Lehkonen, he was consistently deployed in a purely defensive role but managed to be one of Montreal's top possession players regardless (which is an area that the Sharks have struggled with tremendously since, yes, Pavelski left). Pavelski was a key part of San Jose's two-way play and him leaving without an adequate replacement essentially eroded that playstyle.

    San Jose has been god awful in terms of possession over the last 2 seasons which contributes in a massive way to their poor goaltending performance and lack of goalscoring. Lehkonen's presence will definitely help insulate the net and improve the penalty kill.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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    This is very off-base. You're severely underestimating just how much teams truly value solid defensive play. Chiarot was an integral part of Montreal's run and was their most-used player in the postseason. That entire top-4 was key in shutting down key players in all 4 rounds.
    When it comes to Lehkonen, he was consistently deployed in a purely defensive role but managed to be one of Montreal's top possession players regardless (which is an area that the Sharks have struggled with tremendously since, yes, Pavelski left). Pavelski was a key part of San Jose's two-way play and him leaving without an adequate replacement essentially eroded that playstyle.

    San Jose has been god awful in terms of possession over the last 2 seasons which contributes in a massive way to their poor goaltending performance and lack of goalscoring. Lehkonen's presence will definitely help insulate the net and improve the penalty kill.


    OK, but I base my opinion on what teams do, not how I as a fan think I know what is going on behind closed doors, which you seem to be doing.

    Can you name an example? I've provided one to you (Arvidsson). Maybe Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson? Which was widely panned at the time and is still looked upon questionably? I think you could point to Barclay Goodrow too. I would agree Goodrow was a severely underrated two way play driver. Maybe you're right with the value. But it's a rare occurrence. Not to mention Goodrow's insane low cap hit and the term on his deal.

    I stand by my assessment that offense is valued much more than defense in the trade market (Mantha, Toffoli, Duchene, Palmieri, etc). Most NHL guys need to be good both ways these days. Being able to put the puck in the net is a rarer talent. Personally though, I'd take Blake Coleman over Taylor Hall every day of the week, for example, as per your description of a team that drives play.

    And what's with the off base comment? I essentially agree with you, but point out that the logic isn't usually applied in practice.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 7:52 p.m.
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    I like Lek but not at that price. And we don't really need more bottom six.
    Jul. 13, 2021 at 10:06 p.m.
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    OK, but I base my opinion on what teams do, not how I as a fan think I know what is going on behind closed doors, which you seem to be doing.

    Can you name an example? I've provided one to you (Arvidsson). Maybe Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson? Which was widely panned at the time and is still looked upon questionably? I think you could point to Barclay Goodrow too. I would agree Goodrow was a severely underrated two way play driver. Maybe you're right with the value. But it's a rare occurrence. Not to mention Goodrow's insane low cap hit and the term on his deal.

    I stand by my assessment that offense is valued much more than defense in the trade market (Mantha, Toffoli, Duchene, Palmieri, etc). Most NHL guys need to be good both ways these days. Being able to put the puck in the net is a rarer talent. Personally though, I'd take Blake Coleman over Taylor Hall every day of the week, for example, as per your description of a team that drives play.

    And what's with the off base comment? I essentially agree with you, but point out that the logic isn't usually applied in practice.


    Arvidsson is a completely different situation: 28, one year left on his contract, 2 seasons of steep decline following a multitude of injuries, and Nashville wanted to protect 8 skaters instead of 7-3.
    Examples of play-drivers/defensive forwards who have fetched a solid return over the last several seasons:
    -Goodrow
    -Vesey
    -Coleman
    I very much like Carl Hagelin as a comparable.

    Examples of defensive defensemen who have fetched a "premium" in recent years:
    -Brenden Dillon
    -Justin Braun
    -Ben Lovejoy
    -Andy Greene
    -Brady Skjei

    Hell, look at what Tampa gave up to acquire David Savard at the deadline. And this might be a few seasons back, but Douglas Murray fetched two 2nd round picks.

    I'm not going to sit here and argue that defense>offense because that was not the point of this. I'm merely stating that teams do place a high value on top-4 defensemen regardless of if they provide offense or not. Chiarot has one year remaining at a reasonable cap hit of $3.5M, played the most minutes on the Stanley Cup runner up team this past season and is highly-regarded in Winnipeg. There's little argument to be made that he's not worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
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    Jul. 13, 2021 at 10:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Arvidsson is a completely different situation: 28, one year left on his contract, 2 seasons of steep decline following a multitude of injuries, and Nashville wanted to protect 8 skaters instead of 7-3.
    Examples of play-drivers/defensive forwards who have fetched a solid return over the last several seasons:
    -Goodrow
    -Vesey
    -Coleman
    I very much like Carl Hagelin as a comparable.

    Examples of defensive defensemen who have fetched a "premium" in recent years:
    -Brenden Dillon
    -Justin Braun
    -Ben Lovejoy
    -Andy Greene
    -Brady Skjei

    Hell, look at what Tampa gave up to acquire David Savard at the deadline. And this might be a few seasons back, but Douglas Murray fetched two 2nd round picks.

    I'm not going to sit here and argue that defense>offense because that was not the point of this. I'm merely stating that teams do place a high value on top-4 defensemen regardless of if they provide offense or not. Chiarot has one year remaining at a reasonable cap hit of $3.5M, played the most minutes on the Stanley Cup runner up team this past season and is highly-regarded in Winnipeg. There's little argument to be made that he's not worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick.


    I have also not argued whether offense or defence are better, after all, the point of the game is to have more points than your opponent, meaning you need both to be better than your opponent. I'm trying to talk about what the trade market valuations are. The nitpick is some of those are deadline aquisitions where the value is different. Nevertheless, I appreciate the examples and will humbly accept your position.
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