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Bored in waiting room Marner trade

Created by: SomethingLeafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul 14, 2021
Published: Jul 14 at 11:31
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Dermott don't fit Detroit rebuild... Yet bertuzzi is? Ok

Take engvall out of the kings trade and put him with the kraken.

Contracts is what I feel like is max leafs will go. Will they get more maybe. But I'm bored waiting for my vaccine.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Foegele, Warren3$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Galchenyuk, Alex2$950,000
Bogosian, Zach1$1,000,000
Hamilton, Dougie7$8,000,000
Hakanpää, Jani2$1,500,000
Oleksiak, Jamie2$3,000,000
Bunting, Michael2$1,500,000
Hall, Taylor3$6,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Ponomarev, Vasili
  2. Pashin, Alexander [Reserve List]
  3. Foegele, Warren [RFA Rights]
  4. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Marner, Mitchell
TOR
  1. Kempe, Adrian
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (STL)
  3. 2021 4th round pick (CGY)
LAK
  1. Rielly, Morgan
  2. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
  1. DeSmith, Casey
  2. 2021 7th round pick (ANA)
PIT
  1. Holl, Justin
TOR
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Dermott, Travis
TOR
    Engvall for expansion
    SEA
    1. 2023 7th round pick (TOR)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    CAR
    TOR
    STL
    DET
    CGY
    TOR
    TOR
    ANA
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$79,691,783$0$0$1,808,217
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Foegele, Warren
    $3,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Hall, Taylor
    $6,000,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    LAK
    Kempe, Adrian
    $2,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Bunting, Michael
    $1,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Kerfoot, Alexander
    $3,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Galchenyuk, Alex
    $950,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,645,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Brooks, Adam
    $725,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Hamilton, Dougie
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    PIT
    DeSmith, Casey
    $1,250,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Oleksiak, Jamie
    $3,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Hakanpää, Jani
    $1,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    TOR
    Simmonds, Wayne
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3

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    Jul 14 at 11:40
    #1
    Drumman44
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    Carolina will counter and say drop Ponomarev and Pashin in favor of an extended Hamilton. He might take 8 x 7.5
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    Jul 14 at 11:42
    #2
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    DroverD2
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    Quoting: DrumMan44
    Carolina will counter and say drop Ponomarev and Pashin in favor of an extended Hamilton. He might take 8 x 7.5


    I really like both of ponomarev and pashin. Only reason I did a marner trade 😂. Idk about a 1st and Fogele unless Hamilton takes less with the deal I guess. Even then idk
    Jul 14 at 11:45
    #3
    arky
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    Do not understand your comment:

    Dermott don't fit Detroit rebuild... Yet bertuzzi is? Ok

    Are you trying to say Dermott is better than Bertuzzi or are you agreeing? It appears that you believe the latter, which makes zero sense, a top 6 forward for a 5th or 6th defenseman. Dermott has not shown he can play top 4 minutes. Even when players were hurt in Toronto he did not play up.
    Jul 14 at 11:47
    #4
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    DroverD2
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    Quoting: mikearky
    Do not understand your comment:

    Dermott don't fit Detroit rebuild... Yet bertuzzi is? Ok

    Are you trying to say Dermott is better than Bertuzzi or are you agreeing? It appears that you believe the latter, which makes zero sense, a top 6 forward for a 5th or 6th defenseman. Dermott has not shown he can play top 4 minutes. Even when players were hurt in Toronto he did not play up.


    No. Where do I say that? Where is there a Dermott for bertuzzi trade in this thread? What I'm saying is if bertuzzi fits the rebuild than so do Dermott.
    Jul 14 at 11:50
    #5
    Habs4ever
    Joined: Jan 2017
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    Not a leafs fan but feel for you waiting at hospital. Brought my youngest son and got out 12 hours later. Btws I doubt Hyman resigns with leafs.
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    Jul 14 at 11:51
    #6
    Lenny7
    Joined: Jan 2017
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    It's funny seeing superstars traded away for peanuts because a certain group of fans of that team hate them for things that have absolutely nothing to do with hockey, and instead, just follow a bunch of dumb narratives created by a bunch of talking heads who are only relevant because this same, weirdly large, group of fans that absolutely feed off this nonsense.

    You're trading a 90+pt forward for a bottom 6 winger, a late 1st in a "meh" draft, and two prospects who may, or may not ever play in the NHL.

    If that's the cost, I'd be all over it, and laughing for the rest of Marner's career.
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    Jul 14 at 11:53
    #7
    Thread Starter
    DroverD2
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    Quoting: Lenny7
    It's funny seeing superstars traded away for peanuts because a certain group of fans of that team hate them for things that have absolutely nothing to do with hockey, and instead, just follow a bunch of dumb narratives created by a bunch of talking heads who are only relevant because this same, weirdly large, group of fans that absolutely feed off this nonsense.

    You're trading a 90+pt forward for a bottom 6 winger, a late 1st in a "meh" draft, and two prospects who may, or may not ever play in the NHL.

    If that's the cost, I'd be all over it, and laughing for the rest of Marner's career.


    I acutally don't want to trade him... Yet. Player can only get so many chances. I did this cuz I really liked both ponomarev and pashin and it freed up alot of cap while getting a roster player and a 1st back too
    Jul 14 at 11:55
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    Canes accept
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    Jul 14 at 11:59
    #9
    arky
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    Quoting: DroverD2
    No. Where do I say that? Where is there a Dermott for bertuzzi trade in this thread? What I'm saying is if bertuzzi fits the rebuild than so do Dermott.


    Dermott might, or might not fit rebuild but not at the cost of Bertuzzi. Again I did not understand and I stated that, and was looking for clarification. All I am saying is Wings can do better with cap space and get a better defensman with cap space and if they trade Bertuzzi.
    Jul 14 at 12:02
    #10
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    DroverD2
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    Quoting: mikearky
    Dermott might, or might not fit rebuild but not at the cost of Bertuzzi. Again I did not understand and I stated that, and was looking for clarification. All I am saying is Wings can do better with cap space and get a better defensman with cap space and if they trade Bertuzzi.


    Well yes. Dermott for bertuzzi straight up won't happen.
    Jul 14 at 12:07
    #11
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    How does Dermott get a comparable return to Toews? Two late second round picks roughly equates to pick 37. Would much rather go after Dunn if this is the asking price for a guy that’s going to be exposed anyway.
    Jul 14 at 12:08
    #12
    Formerly Jamiepo
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    Quoting: mikearky
    Do not understand your comment:

    Dermott don't fit Detroit rebuild... Yet bertuzzi is? Ok

    Are you trying to say Dermott is better than Bertuzzi or are you agreeing? It appears that you believe the latter, which makes zero sense, a top 6 forward for a 5th or 6th defenseman. Dermott has not shown he can play top 4 minutes. Even when players were hurt in Toronto he did not play up.


    Dermott has logged plenty of top 4 but with the leafs defence it’s only when there’s an injury. Solid defensively even against other teams top lines and plenty of potential offensively still. Personally I would like to keep him but I do hate the way he is always forced down the depth chart.

    I think the OP is trying to make sense of the age and money involved. I would consider Bertuzzi a middle 6 winger or a top 6 support player. I get he plays big minutes with Detroit but I would say that is his trike on most other teams. L
    Jul 14 at 12:19
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Not a leafs fan but feel for you waiting at hospital. Brought my youngest son and got out 12 hours later. Btws I doubt Hyman resigns with leafs.


    I hope all is well. It's one of the hardest thing to do as a parent.
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    Jul 14 at 12:23
    #14
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    DroverD2
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Not a leafs fan but feel for you waiting at hospital. Brought my youngest son and got out 12 hours later. Btws I doubt Hyman resigns with leafs.


    I posted when I got home. It took a lot longer because they screwed up my forum. Everything so far is good.

    Hyman is probably gone and going to get paid as he should
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    Jul 14 at 12:29
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    Dermott might not even get you a 4th rounder based on his sheltered role (54% Ozone start), and no special teams play (less than 10 seconds per game average on the PK, no PP time), and no 5-on-5 scoring. He's barely a replacement player for every team in the league.

    Dunn and Toews are WAY ahead of Dermott. Dunn is a .38PPG player (compared to .25PPG for Dermott), plays on the PP, and plays in a similar sheltered role. Before Toews was traded (using his NYI stats), he was a .40PPG player, averaging 20mins/night of ice time, and played on the PP. Dermott averaged ~13mins/night.

    Dunn, if he's traded, would bring back a similar return to Toews (2 late-2nd rounders, maybe a high 2nd rounder, he won't return a 1st). I'm willing to bet he makes it to Seattle though.

    If you want to compare Dermott to someone, he's more like Christian Djoos than Dunn or Toews (and Djoos just signed to play in Europe). Similar age, similar numbers, similar playing time.
    Jul 14 at 12:32
    #16
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    DroverD2
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Dermott has logged plenty of top 4 but with the leafs defence it’s only when there’s an injury. Solid defensively even against other teams top lines and plenty of potential offensively still. Personally I would like to keep him but I do hate the way he is always forced down the depth chart.

    I think the OP is trying to make sense of the age and money involved. I would consider Bertuzzi a middle 6 winger or a top 6 support player. I get he plays big minutes with Detroit but I would say that is his trike on most other teams. L


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    Quoting: TMarch
    Dermott might not even get you a 4th rounder based on his sheltered role (54% Ozone start), and no special teams play (less than 10 seconds per game average on the PK, no PP time), and no 5-on-5 scoring. He's barely a replacement player for every team in the league.

    Dunn and Toews are WAY ahead of Dermott. Dunn is a .38PPG player (compared to .25PPG for Dermott), plays on the PP, and plays in a similar sheltered role. Before Toews was traded (using his NYI stats), he was a .40PPG player, averaging 20mins/night of ice time, and played on the PP. Dermott averaged ~13mins/night.

    Dunn, if he's traded, would bring back a similar return to Toews (2 late-2nd rounders, maybe a high 2nd rounder, he won't return a 1st). I'm willing to bet he makes it to Seattle though.

    If you want to compare Dermott to someone, he's more like Christian Djoos than Dunn or Toews (and Djoos just signed to play in Europe). Similar age, similar numbers, similar playing time.


    While comparing him to Dunn. Dunn is better. Dermott haven't had a chance to do anything. A team like Detroit where he can acutally get minuites can benefit both him and the wings. And like gen said. Would love to keep Dermott. 441 Dermott > Holl
    Jul 14 at 1:20
    #17
    Formerly Jamiepo
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    Quoting: DroverD2
    This



    While comparing him to Dunn. Dunn is better. Dermott haven't had a chance to do anything. A team like Detroit where he can acutally get minuites can benefit both him and the wings. And like gen said. Would love to keep Dermott. 441 Dermott > Holl


    I agree, Dermott would be cheaper to acquire and I really like his defensive game. He has all the tools and really just lacks the confidence.
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