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Sakic Reported To Want Vatanen

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Colorado then subsequently trades Barrie to Tampa for one of their young forwards, i.e., Johnson, Palat, Drouin, or Namestikov. The addition of Pettersson adds a projected 2nd pairing D. Sakic and Yzerman have been attending many Anaheim games, so if Tampa doesn't get a trade for Vatanen, the possibility of a three-way trade is there.
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Vatanen's value gets boosted because of his RH shot and the fact that he's a skilled puck-moving defenseman. The trade market for top 4 D is the highest it's ever been as there are only several teams with an abundance of them (Nashville, St.Louis, Carolina, Minnesota, Anaheim). The addition of Pettersson probably isn't even needed to make this trade, but it tips the scales ultimately for the doubters.
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Feb. 10, 2017 at 12:51 p.m.
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The writing is on the wall. Vatanen is most likely going to be gone. Though, I think we have to make a second trade to have Landy on the team. We might be just below the cap but I am not sure. Overall though, I think this trade will work out.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 12:51 p.m.
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This is what I don't get.

Barrie = Vatanen
Drouin/ Palat/ Johnson ~ = Landeskog (Give or take here or there)

Why not just make that trade straight with TB? If they aren't getting a LH shot, why go through Anaheim? Vatanen is not better/worse then Barrie so they gain nothing really.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 12:56 p.m.
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I dont think they are any solid reports saying Avs wanting Vantanen, a few websites are speculating they would have interest in him bc the Avs have been scouting the ducks a lot lately.
They would go after Lindholm over Vants.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 12:56 p.m.
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F50marco Yeah that was what I was thinking too. But I think Barrie will get serious action from Edmonton. They desprately need an upgrade at RD.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
This is what I don't get.

Barrie = Vatanen
Drouin/ Palat/ Johnson ~ = Landeskog (Give or take here or there)

Why not just make that trade straight with TB? If they aren't getting a LH shot, why go through Anaheim? Vatanen is not better/worse then Barrie, so they gain nothing really.


Vatanen is a lot better than Barrie analytically and statistically. Barrie's stock has been going down ever since the season started. His bloated contract and subpar defensive play combined with his offensive crash have been lowering his value ever since. Colorado needs to try and trade Barrie now while Top 4 D are at a premium, TB is in desperate need of D and has a surplus of offense, they aren't likely to trade for a forward. This trade gives Colorado defensive upgrade, along with a defensive prospect and makes it possible for them to fill the hole Landeskog leaves with a forward from Tampa.

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The writing is on the wall. Vatanen is most likely going to be gone. Though, I think we have to make a second trade to have Landy on the team. We might be just below the cap but I am not sure. Overall though, I think this trade will work out.


I was going to propose a Bernier, and 4th round pick trade to St. Louis for Berglund with some of Bergy's cap retained. But that trade would all depend on where the Blues come playoffs if they're in the race it's more likely. The Blues need a starter/backup to be behind Allen in case he stumbles in the playoffs.

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I dont think they are any solid reports saying Avs wanting Vantanen, a few websites are speculating they would have interest in him bc the Avs have been scouting the ducks a lot lately.
They would go after Lindholm over Vants.


Murray has said Fowler and Lindholm are off the market, Vatanen and Manson are going to be the only option for teams to pursue since Theodore and Montour are likely to be overpriced.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 1:17 p.m.
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This is what I don't get.

Barrie = Vatanen
Drouin/ Palat/ Johnson ~ = Landeskog (Give or take here or there)

Why not just make that trade straight with TB? If they aren't getting a LH shot, why go through Anaheim? Vatanen is not better/worse then Barrie, so they gain nothing really.


Vatanen is a lot better than Barrie analytically and statistically. Barrie's stock has been going down ever since the season started. His bloated contract and subpar defensive play combined with his offensive crash have been lowering his value ever since. Colorado needs to try and trade Barrie now while Top 4 D are at a premium, TB is in desperate need of D and has a surplus of offense, they aren't likely to trade for a forward. This trade gives Colorado defensive upgrade, along with a defensive prospect and makes it possible for them to fill the hole Landeskog leaves with a forward from Tampa.

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The writing is on the wall. Vatanen is most likely going to be gone. Though, I think we have to make a second trade to have Landy on the team. We might be just below the cap but I am not sure. Overall though, I think this trade will work out.


I was going to propose a Bernier, and 4th round pick trade to St. Louis for Berglund with some of Bergy's cap retained. But that trade would all depend on where the Blues come playoffs if they're in the race it's more likely. The Blues need a starter/backup to be behind Allen in case he stumbles in the playoffs.

Quoting: coga16
I dont think they are any solid reports saying Avs wanting Vantanen, a few websites are speculating they would have interest in him bc the Avs have been scouting the ducks a lot lately.
They would go after Lindholm over Vants.


Murray has said Fowler and Lindholm are off the market, Vatanen and Manson are going to be the only option for teams to pursue since Theodore and Montour are likely to be overpriced.


Can you send me a link that Murray has said that Lindholm is off the market? Bc Avs and Ducks have been connected regarding him with a a Landy trade in the Summer.
I dont think Avs have any desire for Vantanen since they have EJ and Barrie on the RHS and I dont think they would move Barrie just to make room for Vantanen. Doesn't make sense. So unless Lindholm is available there really isnt a logical deal
Feb. 10, 2017 at 1:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Christian17
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This is what I don't get.

Barrie = Vatanen
Drouin/ Palat/ Johnson ~ = Landeskog (Give or take here or there)

Why not just make that trade straight with TB? If they aren't getting a LH shot, why go through Anaheim? Vatanen is not better/worse then Barrie, so they gain nothing really.


Vatanen is a lot better than Barrie analytically and statistically. Barrie's stock has been going down ever since the season started. His bloated contract and subpar defensive play combined with his offensive crash have been lowering his value ever since. Colorado needs to try and trade Barrie now while Top 4 D are at a premium, TB is in desperate need of D and has a surplus of offense, they aren't likely to trade for a forward. This trade gives Colorado defensive upgrade, along with a defensive prospect and makes it possible for them to fill the hole Landeskog leaves with a forward from Tampa.

Quoting: awatt
The writing is on the wall. Vatanen is most likely going to be gone. Though, I think we have to make a second trade to have Landy on the team. We might be just below the cap but I am not sure. Overall though, I think this trade will work out.



Barrie / Vatanen: Answer me this, if both players situations were switched, would you not say the exact same thing about either? Yes you would. Avs are ridiculously bad this year. Can't use this year as a basis for comparison. Barrie is still young and put up numbers Vatanen has never nor probably never will put up. I'm not saying one is better then the other. Both have their downfalls but Barrie playing alongside Lindholm or Fowler this year with the rest of the Ducks lineup would have great numbers too. They are very similar players whether you agree or not.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 1:28 p.m.
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Barrie's defensive numbers have been awful for a long time, the only reason he's looked good is because of his defensive output. Vatanen played with Clayton Stoner for the past two years, who is a dud D, and has been putting up nearly 40 pts for the past two seasons while sustaining above average defensive statistics. The only reason Vatanen's offensive numbers have gone down is because of the all around fall of Anaheim's top forwards scoring like Perry and Getzlaf. Vatanen is definitely better than Barrie.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 1:32 p.m.
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Yea Barrie isn't as valuable as Colorado fans seem to think. He's an average D-man who's only gotten points in the past few years because the rest of the defensemen around him suck so he's making up for all their lost points. Patrick Roy himself thought that Barrie's contract was bloated, looks like he was right
Feb. 10, 2017 at 2:13 p.m.
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Yea Barrie isn't as valuable as Colorado fans seem to think. He's an average D-man who's only gotten points in the past few years because the rest of the defensemen around him suck so he's making up for all their lost points. Patrick Roy himself thought that Barrie's contract was bloated, looks like he was right


Well Patrick Roy is an idiot who created the mess with the Avs and show me a quote that he says that he thinks Barries contract is bloated.
And he gets points bc the rest of the dmen around him suck? What does that even mean, so a guy who has offensive talent only gets points bc no one else can? That is one of the weirdest takes I have ever heard, it literally doesnt many any sense...oh taylor hall gets points bc the rest of the devil forwards suck....or maybe players get points bc they are good.
Feb. 10, 2017 at 2:14 p.m.
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Barrie's defensive numbers have been awful for a long time, the only reason he's looked good is because of his defensive output. Vatanen played with Clayton Stoner for the past two years, who is a dud D, and has been putting up nearly 40 pts for the past two seasons while sustaining above average defensive statistics. The only reason Vatanen's offensive numbers have gone down is because of the all around fall of Anaheim's top forwards scoring like Perry and Getzlaf. Vatanen is definitely better than Barrie.


youre a ducks fan so of course you would say that. Barrie isnt the strongest defensively but you can't overshadow his offensive gift. Since 2013-14 season, Barrie is the 9th most offensive producing Dman 5v5, and 15th in all situations. He has good as it comes when it comes to putting up points.

His ability to do that really over shadows his defensive short comings (which he isnt as god awful as everyone claims he is)....he has solid zone exit and entry numbers. When he was paling with Nick Holden and Nate Guenin for 3 years, he didnt have a solid enough partner to help in the defensive zone when they were pinned down. If the fwds or D partner are not providing outlet options, well you are always going to look bad defensively and a bad -/+
Feb. 10, 2017 at 3:26 p.m.
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Coga, was it Roy that created the mess or Sakic? Maybe it's Kroenke for hiring those two?
Feb. 10, 2017 at 7:16 p.m.
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Coga, was it Roy that created the mess or Sakic? Maybe it's Kroenke for hiring those two?


Its both of their mess but Roy probably has more to do with it than Sakic. Roy was hired by Kroenke first, Sakic wasnt named the full time GM a year after Roy was hired. Roy had just as much influence on roster decisions even though it was Sakics "final say" the past 2 years. They built it together, Roy quit bc he didnt get his way to keep on doing the same bone head moves that they ere doing togeher....brining in older vets over youth and speed.

Roys plan was to move out the core guys to bring in older vets and to spend more in UFA. I dont think you will get better if you are getting older and more expensive of a roster in every move you make
Feb. 10, 2017 at 11:05 p.m.
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I know it isn't ideal but is it really such a far fetched idea that Col could be interested in Vatanen even though he is a RS. Players play on their off side all the time. Vatanen plays all situations and was the highest SHTOI D for the number 1 PK last year. Not Lindholm or Fowler. The Ducks PK is 8th and climbing this year after a terrible start. In the end I imagine Sakic will make the trade that brings the best D man to Col for now and the future. Vats is the best from the Ducks that is available. It was reported in the Summer and in the recent rumors that the Ducks have no interest in moving Lindholm and now Fowler has proven he is worth keeping. That leaves Vats as the off man out of the 3. Unless Col is interested in futures like a deal centered around Theo++ then any deal involved these 2 teams would in all likelihood involve Vats.

Just my 2 cents.
Feb. 11, 2017 at 3:37 p.m.
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Coga Every team's fans (Tampa bay fan here) see how bad Barrie is defensive, I would much rather have Vatanen on my team than Barrie though. I would rather make a trade for Vatanen than a defensive hole in Barrie, especially when Barrie's offensive numbers haven't been there this year. Vatanen plays in all situations and is successful.

And for the Patrick Roy thing not liking Barrie this article touches on Roy not thinking Barrie is really good. http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/patrick-roy-resigns-as-colorado-avalanche-head-coach-after-three-seasons
This season proves that Roy wasn't the reason Colorado sucks, their team roster is just awful and if they don't go into full rebuild mode like Toronto did it's gonna be a tough decade for them.
 
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