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Putting together the puzzle pieces DISCUSSION

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1) Protecting 2/3rd of the fourth line feels like Cizikas returning is a lock

2) A bought out Parise on vet min (maybe include some bonuses) screams Lou Lamoriello. He has interest in playing here and Lou has an extended history with Parise.

3) Exposing Eberle and Bailey signals that Lou still wants to shed a little more salary

4) All RFAs will return. No Devon Toews situation.
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This is where the fun begins IMO. Assuming you don't move out more money or have a side deal with SEA, Lou should have about $9.25m to sign a top-6F and Top-4D.

Plan A - Landeskog and Suter.
Lamoriello always seems to chase the biggest fish (Tavares, Panarin etc) so if Landeskog hits the market I think Lou will try his hardest to land him. Suter is linked to Parise, could have his contract loaded with bonuses to keep the initial AAV down, and has played for Trotz before in Nashville.

Plan B - Tarasenko and Martinez/Edler/Chara/Merrill
If Landeskog doesn't hit the market, seems like Lou is enamored with Tarasenko. If he's healthy, he would thrive next to Barzal and the 35-40 goal scorer we remember could reemerge. This scenario works under assumption Suter can get more money (or doesn't want to play for Trotz) so Lou pivots to another experienced LD. If it's Martinez, Lamoriello probably needs to shed a smidge more money (Komarov or Hickey?) to find the space.

Plan C - Palmieri and Martinez/Reilly.
Landeskog stays in COL or signs elsewhere. Tarasenko lands somewhere that isn't NY. Now what? Let's not kid ourselves with Ovi either - he's clearly a Capital for life. Blake Coleman, Mike Hoffman and Zach Hyman are interesting options, but Lou sticks to who he knows in Kyle Palmieri. He was effective in the playoffs, grew more comfortable in Trotz's system, and can go back to his natural RW position. He had chemistry with Barzal towards the end of the season and scored some big goals. He is more of a two-way player than Eberle and should bring similar offensive production. He signs for less than $5.5m (Eberle's AAV) so Lou should have ample money left over to sign Alec Martinez or Mike Reilly outright without moving any money.

All three of these routes seem plausible for their own reasons. Which Lou takes (or hand he is dealt) will be fun to watch. But any of the above options brings back a stronger team than last year's, who was 1 goal from a Cup final appearance.

Thoughts? Comments?
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:40 p.m.
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I don't know why everyone is dying to sign cizikas around 2.5 mil for term. Look at your bottom 6. How many players do you have at that 2.5-3.5 mil that you hate?

That landeskog deal is likely the cost (or higher) but I'm fairly confident whoever signs it will regret it.

Landy was a 20-25 g, 50-60 pt scorer pre MacKinnon becoming a perennial Hart trophy. I suspect he regresses to that without him. He's a good player but I think you'll regret it.

This team as is spends too much on wings. If you can get out of say Bailey and get two years of tarasenko be happy because that timing will work well for Dobson and Wahlstrom who you hope develop enough to want that money


I think with the passing Ability in Barzal you wouldn't see much regression
Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:42 p.m.
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Do you think Avs would not be unwilling to pay him 7.5, I haven't seen there capspace it just hard to believe at the end of the day the wouldn't


I do not think they would pay him 7.5 x 7 , IMO the most they'd give him is like 6.5-7 mill x 7.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:45 p.m.
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I think eberle is more of the scapegoat and it’s no secret that Lou was shopping him. If there’s a side deal does that mean Francis is interested in Eberle and might take on another contract like komarov? Or is Lou planning to pay a steep price to dump komarov/Hickey? See that doesn’t make sense to me - Lou traded a 3rd pairing D for a 2nd round pick and then gave up two late 2nds to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league. It wouldn’t make sense if Lou gave up a 2022 1st to get rid of komarov because he’d go from fleecing 2 GMs to getting fleeced.


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I mean maybe that could happen. But it's 6 one, half dozen the other. Figure you could at least get a 2nd for Ebs alone, right? That should be enough to clear Leo to another team. So unless the market dried up and Lou had no choice but to go through Seattle, then maybe. If he could have did that before expansion would have been another $8.5m cleared and protect Bailey from the get go


Its very interesting of Lou to expose both of Bailey and Eberle usually you only expose one and make a side deal to take that one. Lou has a master plan for big game hunting
Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:47 p.m.
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I do not think they would pay him 7.5 x 7 , IMO the most they'd give him is like 6.5-7 mill x 7.


Is it true Landy wants a Lee contract 7X7
Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:52 p.m.
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can you imagine lou does the panthers deal (Marchessault /smith) - "you can take Eberle is you take Bailey as well" Frees up 10.5 mill in cap space.

Assuming Seattle takes Dunn, isles can give up like a 3rd + Bellows for Tarasenko (3 mill retained). Sign Landeskog.

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No joke I was thinking about that today but I can't see the Kraken doing that. Lou would be the Boss if that happened
Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:56 p.m.
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No joke I was thinking about that today but I can't see the Kraken doing that. Lou would be the Boss if that happened


I mean it’s a fair trade tbh. Eberle was one of the best right wingers in the league this season - but isles fans want to get rid of him for nothing lol


Jul. 18, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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can you imagine lou does the panthers deal (Marchessault /smith) - "you can take Eberle is you take Bailey as well" Frees up 10.5 mill in cap space.

Assuming Seattle takes Dunn, isles can give up like a 3rd + Bellows for Tarasenko (3 mill retained). Sign Landeskog.

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Lol that's wild. I did see someone from Philly suggest Tarasenko is heading there. So he may be evaporating.

Seattle takes Tarasenko, flips him to Philly for Voracek and a 2nd, then take Hagg at expansion. Voracek was coached by Philly by SEA HC Hakstol and they have a great relationship
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:09 p.m.
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Lol that's wild. I did see someone from Philly suggest Tarasenko is heading there. So he may be evaporating.

Seattle takes Tarasenko, flips him to Philly for Voracek and a 2nd, then take Hagg at expansion. Voracek was coached by Philly by SEA HC Hakstol and they have a great relationship


Incarcerated bob just said isles are going to try to sign Landeskog
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:10 p.m.
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I mean it’s a fair trade tbh. Eberle was one of the best right wingers in the league this season - but isles fans want to get rid of him for nothing lol




Still would Francis want to commit to two wingers that are in their 30's long term, In 2017 the wingers that Vegas picked up from Florida were both 26 years old
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:11 p.m.
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Incarcerated bob just said isles are going to try to sign Landeskog


I hope he's right, but I dislike that guy. He blocked me a decade ago lol so I take a grain of salt to everything he says
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.
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Im ok with either plan a or b. Plan c would be my nightmare. I think we have 2 andrew ladds in this years free agency and hopefully teams are smart enough no to give long term deals. Palmieri and hyman still have a year or 2 left in the tank but they will start declining rapidly. Not interested in palms unless on a 1-2 year deal. And if hes replacing eberle its gonna be longer than 2 years.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.
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Incarcerated bob just said isles are going to try to sign Landeskog


OH MY GOD!!! Lou's Master Plan !
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:12 p.m.
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I hope he's right, but I dislike that guy. He blocked me a decade ago lol so I take a grain of salt to everything he says


I feel like him and NRD are the two guys that are usually right on isles rumors so I’m going to believe it
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.
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Still would Francis want to commit to two wingers that are in their 30's long term, In 2017 the wingers that Vegas picked up from Florida were both 26 years old


Fair point , but then they locked up marchessault long term . Eberle is better than both btw
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:17 p.m.
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Im ok with either plan a or b. Plan c would be my nightmare. I think we have 2 andrew ladds in this years free agency and hopefully teams are smart enough no to give long term deals. Palmieri and hyman still have a year or 2 left in the tank but they will start declining rapidly. Not interested in palms unless on a 1-2 year deal. And if hes replacing eberle its gonna be longer than 2 years.


I also think contrary to public opinion the pick will be bellows/koivula. Before friday everything i saw was they are going to take young guys. Reports came out the 2 viable options were bellows or koivula. Maybe thats the reason lou protected CC/MM. It didnt make a difference whether he exposed MM/CC or ebs/bails bc none of them would get taken. So hes trying to get casey back so he protected line 4.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:22 p.m.
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I think with the passing Ability in Barzal you wouldn't see much regression


Barzal is good but he isn't MacKinnon. If he was he'd be turning his wingers into 75 point or more wingers.


Before MacKinnon became a super star from 2013-2017 landeskog had between 33 (that's not a typo) and 65 points in 72-82 GP seasons. For a total of 210 points in 310 gp or 0.67 points per game or a 56 point pace

Since that year (when MacKinnon jumped from a good player to a 90+ point player) Landy has 233 points in 259 gp or a 0.9 ppg or 74 point pace over 82 gp

Do you want to pay over 7 mil for a 56 point player? No you want to for the 74 point player and I argue that difference is MacKinnon.
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:27 p.m.
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Barzal is good but he isn't MacKinnon. If he was he'd be turning his wingers into 75 point or more wingers.


Before MacKinnon became a super star from 2013-2017 landeskog had between 33 (that's not a typo) and 65 points in 72-82 GP seasons. For a total of 210 points in 310 gp or 0.67 points per game or a 56 point pace

Since that year (when MacKinnon jumped from a good player to a 90+ point player) Landy has 233 points in 259 gp or a 0.9 ppg or 74 point pace over 82 gp

Do you want to pay over 7 mil for a 56 point player? No you want to for the 74 point player and I argue that difference is MacKinnon.


Dude do you see who Barzal is playing with Eberle who only had one 30 goal season and Lee who most if his goals are the area of the net. Isles don;t have wingers on the Avs level. Puts Barzal with the Leafs and He would be Pointe.Why do you think Lou wanted Panarin so bad two years ago bc he knew they would be the ultimate duo in the league only lower than McDavid and Draisaitl
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:29 p.m.
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.
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Dude do you see who Barzal is playing with Eberle who only had one 30 goal season and Lee who most if his goals are the area of the net. Isles don;t have wingers on the Avs level. Puts Barzal with the Leafs and He would be Pointe


Jordan Eberle in Edmonton

507 GP 165 G 383 pts
Or 0.33 GPG and 0.75 PPG

Gabriel Landeskog in Colorado
687 GP 218 G 512 pts
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0.32 gpg and 0.75 ppg

Seems pretty damn similar to me...
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.
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Dude do you see who Barzal is playing with Eberle who only had one 30 goal season and Lee who most if his goals are the area of the net. Isles don;t have wingers on the Avs level. Puts Barzal with the Leafs and He would be Pointe.Why do you think Lou wanted Panarin so bad two years ago bc he knew they would be the ultimate duo in the league only lower than McDavid and Draisaitl


Also Landy also has one 30 goal season...
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:47 p.m.
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I feel like him and NRD are the two guys that are usually right on isles rumors so I’m going to believe it


NRD is legit. I thought he was a joke like a year and change ago but wow. He's the only insider who breaks news nowadays. Big name guys just let the teams tweet it out first
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Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:52 p.m.
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Barzal is good but he isn't MacKinnon. If he was he'd be turning his wingers into 75 point or more wingers.


Before MacKinnon became a super star from 2013-2017 landeskog had between 33 (that's not a typo) and 65 points in 72-82 GP seasons. For a total of 210 points in 310 gp or 0.67 points per game or a 56 point pace

Since that year (when MacKinnon jumped from a good player to a 90+ point player) Landy has 233 points in 259 gp or a 0.9 ppg or 74 point pace over 82 gp

Do you want to pay over 7 mil for a 56 point player? No you want to for the 74 point player and I argue that difference is MacKinnon.


Quality of teammates affect production. If you took Marner and put him on the isles 2nd line with Brock Nelson and josh bailey he’d be lucky to hit 70 pts.

Evaluating a players offense strictly by using points is a flawed argument. Kyle Connor is a PPG player but Blake coleman is still the better offensive player because he drives play offensively and increases the rate his team scores goals
Jul. 18, 2021 at 9:53 p.m.
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Also Landy also has one 30 goal season...

Landeskog has been on a 30 and 31 goal pace the last two seasons,
Jul. 18, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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Quality of teammates affect production. If you took Marner and put him on the isles 2nd line with Brock Nelson and josh bailey he’d be lucky to hit 70 pts.

Evaluating a players offense strictly by using points is a flawed argument. Kyle Connor is a PPG player but Blake coleman is still the better offensive player because he drives play offensively and increases the rate his team scores goals


Honestly I've enjoyed the chat. I have counters but I feel like we're going to pass the point of a fun discussion to just arguing. So I'm going to call it here. Have a good night!
 
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