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Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 19, 2021
Published: Jul. 19, 2021
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Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$750,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$6,750,000
3$1,333,333
2$750,000
2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,000,000
4$4,000,000
2$1,250,000
2$2,000,000
2$1,750,000
1$750,000
4$2,500,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Neal, James
  2. Yamamoto, Kailer [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
SEA
  1. Benson, Tyler [RFA Rights]
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23$81,500,000$81,305,634$669,339$1,307,500$194,366
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LW, C
RFA - 3
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
$6,750,000$6,750,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$834,167$834,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 1
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,333,333$1,333,333
LW, C
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,600,000$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
RW
UFA
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
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Jul. 19, 2021 at 7:05 a.m.
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Well you sure didn’t make this team any better and Yamamoto and two first rounders are gone
Holloway’s not ready for top six minutes haven’t we learned anything about rushing prospects instead of letting them develop properly
The bottom six is still trash you think Bozak is the missing piece to add the needed depth, Chiasson has no business on this team running back the same old isn’t going to make this team better
No need to sign Cole, Russell and Laggy easily fill that spot
savoie’s not turning pro he’s at least 2 yrs away he can score but needs to improve in every other area, university is a good place for him if he has a good yr then you sign him to a pro deal and he spends at least a yr in the AHL, he’s a project let him develop properly
Russell won’t be back either all he does is take up a contract
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Jul. 19, 2021 at 8:00 a.m.
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Why are so many people trading Yamamoto ($2M) for Reinhart ($7M) and adding A+ assets???

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8479977&p2=8477933&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
Jul. 19, 2021 at 8:50 a.m.
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I have mentioned this a bunch of time on other posts too but, why don't you put Klef on LTIR? That would free up his cap space and allow you more room to improve other areas.

I also don't like JJ at 1.333MM. If he wants that much, I'd let him walk.
Jul. 19, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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Why are so many people trading Yamamoto ($2M) for Reinhart ($7M) and adding A+ assets???

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=y&p1=8479977&p2=8477933&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single


In my opinion, the attraction exists because Reinhart is the same age as Draisaitl and has scored at least 20 goals in five of his six NHL seasons, he scored 17 in his one "down year". Reinhart is also quite an effective scorer at even strength, something the Oilers desperately need. Adding him to the Oiler roster would give Tippett more flexibility to mix and match among his top six forwards, or perhaps put together a third line that can score goals. Yamamoto does not give the Oilers that kind of versatility, he's not a shooter, and I believe many fans are concerned with the manner in which Yamamoto was simply manhandled by the opposition last season without drawing as many penalties as perhaps should have been called.

Risk always exists when young players are moved for more established players, and it is why adding 1st round picks may seem unpalatable to Oiler fans. If Edmonton wants to acquire Reinhart-level talent via trade, it will have to give up some quality pieces. If such a deal is available at the 2021 entry draft, I think the Oilers would want to consider who is available for selection by the time the 19th overall pick comes up. That will be the cost of offloading 100% of James Neal's contract. In comparison to the cost of a successful offer sheet (for which the Oilers do not have the requisite draft capital), Yamamoto and a 1st might be comparable. Holland would want to involve both professional and amateur scouting staff in that conversation.
Jul. 19, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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In my opinion, the attraction exists because Reinhart is the same age as Draisaitl and has scored at least 20 goals in five of his six NHL seasons, he scored 17 in his one "down year". Reinhart is also quite an effective scorer at even strength, something the Oilers desperately need. Adding him to the Oiler roster would give Tippett more flexibility to mix and match among his top six forwards, or perhaps put together a third line that can score goals. Yamamoto does not give the Oilers that kind of versatility, he's not a shooter, and I believe many fans are concerned with the manner in which Yamamoto was simply manhandled by the opposition last season without drawing as many penalties as perhaps should have been called.

Risk always exists when young players are moved for more established players, and it is why adding 1st round picks may seem unpalatable to Oiler fans. If Edmonton wants to acquire Reinhart-level talent via trade, it will have to give up some quality pieces. If such a deal is available at the 2021 entry draft, I think the Oilers would want to consider who is available for selection by the time the 19th overall pick comes up. That will be the cost of offloading 100% of James Neal's contract. In comparison to the cost of a successful offer sheet (for which the Oilers do not have the requisite draft capital), Yamamoto and a 1st might be comparable. Holland would want to involve both professional and amateur scouting staff in that conversation.


Of 313 forwards to play at least 1000 minutes over the past 2 seasons, Yamamoto ranks 95th for Penalties drawn/60 with 0.82 - far above Reinhart's 0.37 which ranks him 277th in the league. Which makes sense because Yamamoto never gives up on a play and goes to the high danger areas frequently, as witnessed by his 4.17 iHDCF/60 vs 2.83 for Reinhart. Yamamoto is also far more physical (4.73 Hits/60 vs 1.49 [!!!] for Reinhart) while also absorbing more hits (7.36 hits takes/60 vs 4.23). His attacking style also results in more than twice as many turnovers (2.31 takeaways/60 vs 1.06).

Their shot metrics are quite similar:

6.04 shots/60 for Reinhart vs 5.30 for Yamamoto
14.95 sh% for Reinhart vs 13.59 for Yamamoto

Both have had the privilege of playing with an elite centerman. If we look at their time with their most common center only, we can see that their stats aren't very different.

Reinhart with Eichel: 1188:48 TOI, 0.86 G/60 + 1.01 A/60 = 1.87 P/60
Yamamoto w/ Draisaitl: 970:27 TOI, 0.87 G/60 + 1.42 A/60 = 2.29 P/60

Look, I don't dislike Reinhart and would send the 1st to BUF for him (if Wallstedt and Cossa are gone already), but adding Yamamoto to any deal is a non-starter for me. I don't think it's AT ALL clear that Reinhart is going to get better results with Draisaitl than Yamamoto is, while key intangibles (age, contract, chemistry) all weigh in Yamamoto's favour. Trading Yamamoto for Reinhart 1-for-1 would likely be a loss for the Oilers on-ice, in potential, against the salary cap and in the locker room.

[All stats taken from the NST link posted above.]
Jul. 19, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Of 313 forwards to play at least 1000 minutes over the past 2 seasons, Yamamoto ranks 95th for Penalties drawn/60 with 0.82 - far above Reinhart's 0.37 which ranks him 277th in the league. Which makes sense because Yamamoto never gives up on a play and goes to the high danger areas frequently, as witnessed by his 4.17 iHDCF/60 vs 2.83 for Reinhart. Yamamoto is also far more physical (4.73 Hits/60 vs 1.49 [!!!] for Reinhart) while also absorbing more hits (7.36 hits takes/60 vs 4.23). His attacking style also results in more than twice as many turnovers (2.31 takeaways/60 vs 1.06).

Their shot metrics are quite similar:

6.04 shots/60 for Reinhart vs 5.30 for Yamamoto
14.95 sh% for Reinhart vs 13.59 for Yamamoto

Both have had the privilege of playing with an elite centerman. If we look at their time with their most common center only, we can see that their stats aren't very different.

Reinhart with Eichel: 1188:48 TOI, 0.86 G/60 + 1.01 A/60 = 1.87 P/60
Yamamoto w/ Draisaitl: 970:27 TOI, 0.87 G/60 + 1.42 A/60 = 2.29 P/60

Look, I don't dislike Reinhart and would send the 1st to BUF for him (if Wallstedt and Cossa are gone already), but adding Yamamoto to any deal is a non-starter for me. I don't think it's AT ALL clear that Reinhart is going to get better results with Draisaitl than Yamamoto is, while key intangibles (age, contract, chemistry) all weigh in Yamamoto's favour. Trading Yamamoto for Reinhart 1-for-1 would likely be a loss for the Oilers on-ice, in potential, against the salary cap and in the locker room.

[All stats taken from the NST link posted above.]


With respect to a comparison between Yamamoto and Reinhart, one has played only 105 NHL games, and the other is well established in the NHL:

I'm not convinced that the underlying numbers tell the full story. Let's be honest, Yamamoto was underwhelming in his first 26 NHL games, then an outstanding complimentary player for Draisaitl and RNH during his next 27, and less successful through his last 52 games. If we chock up the first 26 games up to rookie nerves and inexperience, we still have to wonder at the contrast between his play in 2019/20 and 2020/21. Maybe he suffered a lengthy run of bad luck? We can see RNH had a down season too, so maybe both of them just had bad luck? I have difficulty accepting that, and note that Yamamoto often struggled to make the play, or choose the correct play, when in scoring position. Perhaps it was just a sophomore slump and he will find the magic again. Time will tell. In the meantime, it is difficult not to root for him because he appears to be a rare example of the Oilers finding and properly developing a player outside the top 20 in his draft class, and he works very hard.

In comparison, Reinhart is a perennial 20-goal scorer, entering the peak years of his career. He has had success playing along side Jack Eichel and driving his own line and he is going to cost significantly more than Yamamoto. He would not be an upgrade for Yamamoto if acquired by Edmonton. He could play RW on either of the top two lines, allow Tippett to reunite McDavid and Draisaitl without having to rely on RNH to drive the second line, and he is an option for 3C as well. He should provide scoring, no matter how he's deployed, and the fact that he has a demonstrated record of 5v5 and even strength scoring could be a pretty big bonus for the Oilers. There is lots to like about the potential he represents for Edmonton.

So, two different players that bring different elements to the ice. As far as the intangibles are concerned, we can only speculate.

With respect to the proposed trade:

Any opportunity to unload the entirety of Neal's $5,750,000 AAV and acquire a 25-year-old NHL forward with five 20-goal seasons has to be considered. Yes, moving Yamamoto could have an adverse impact on aspects of the Oilers, but its perhaps a bit biased to suggest Reinhart could not have a positive impact (we cannot know unless the deal actually took place). Certainly the Oiler would need to assess whether Yamamoto is likely to be the player he was in 2019/20 player, or the other guy. They'd have to be confident that what Reinhart brings is a priority over what Yamamoto offers them. There would have top be certainly regarding a long-term deal with Reinhart, and the cap implications need to be weighed. The Oiler armature scouts would need to do their homework to predict the opportunity lost, should the Oilers give one, or more, first round draft picks to Buffalo. All of those factors would need to be considered because, after all, this is a team game. Of course, the propsed trade is just fantasy, and IMO will remain such. It seems highly unlikely the Sabres would agree to include James Neal in the deal, and as unlikely the Oilers would jettison their next two 1st round draft picks.
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Jul. 20, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
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I have mentioned this a bunch of time on other posts too but, why don't you put Klef on LTIR? That would free up his cap space and allow you more room to improve other areas.

I also don't like JJ at 1.333MM. If he wants that much, I'd let him walk.


Good point about Klef - my mistake.
 
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