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Montreal chooses violence Petey OS match

Created by: Juiceman
Initial Creation Date: Jul 20, 2021
Published: Jul 20 at 2:50
Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Team Explanation
This is for all poor people who think they Canucks can’t match a Pettersson offer sheet

In this ACGM, I am pretending Montreal offers an offer sheet with the compensation beings 2 firsts, a second and a third, but we match. Hughes also decides not to take a team friendly deal and gets paid Heiskanen money. This is proving people that we can move out money and make room for Pettersson and Hughes


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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Pettersson, Elias8$10,276,829
Hughes, Quinn8$8,500,000
Dickinson, Jason3$2,200,000
Juolevi, Olli3$900,000
Lind, Kole3$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Reimer, James1$1,750,000
Larsson, Adam4$4,500,000
Hyman, Zach5$5,500,000
McCabe, Jake2$2,800,000
Trades
VAN
    Seattle is apparently interested in Holtby for some reason.
    SEA
    1. Holtby, Braden
    VAN
    1. Nutivaara, Markus
    2. 2022 3rd round pick (FLA)
    FLA
    1. Schmidt, Nate
    2. 2021 5th round pick (CHI)
    VAN
      Gets a second rounder in a very deep draft for one year of Eriksson
      DET
      1. Eriksson, Loui
      2. 2022 2nd round pick (VAN)
      VAN
        Gets a prospect for one year of Roussel
        BUF
        1. Roussel, Antoine
        2. Gadjovich, Jonah
        VAN
        1. 2023 4th round pick (COL)
        COL
        1. Juolevi, Olli
        VAN
          If the Kraken need a reason to take Holtby.
          SEA
          1. Lind, Kole
          Buyouts
          • Jake Virtanen: $50,000
          Recapture Fees
          • Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212
          DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
          2021
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          WPG
          VAN
          2022
          VAN
          FLA
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          2023
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          COL
          VAN
          VAN
          VAN
          ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
          21$81,500,000$81,352,488$648,780$1,900,000$147,512
          Left WingCenterRight Wing
          VAN
          Miller, J.T.
          $5,250,000
          LW, C
          UFA - 2
          VAN
          Pettersson, Elias
          $10,276,829
          C
          RFA
          VAN
          Boeser, Brock
          $5,875,000
          RW
          RFA - 1
          VAN
          Höglander, Nils
          $891,667
          LW, RW
          RFA - 2
          VAN
          Horvat, Bo
          $5,500,000
          C
          UFA - 2
          Hyman, Zach
          $5,500,000
          LW, RW
          NMC
          UFA - 7
          VAN
          Pearson, Tanner
          $3,250,000
          LW
          NTC
          UFA - 3
          VAN
          Dickinson, Jason
          $2,200,000
          C, LW
          UFA - 3
          VAN
          Podkolzin, Vasily
          $925,000
          RW
          RFA - 3
          VAN
          Motte, Tyler
          $1,225,000
          LW, RW
          UFA - 1
          VAN
          Beagle, Jay
          $3,000,000
          C
          NTC
          UFA - 1
          VAN
          Highmore, Matthew
          $725,000
          LW, RW
          RFA - 1
          Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
          VAN
          Hughes, Quinn
          $8,500,000
          LD
          RFA
          Larsson, Adam
          $4,500,000
          RD
          NTC
          UFA - 4
          VAN
          Demko, Thatcher
          $5,000,000
          G
          UFA - 5
          McCabe, Jake
          $2,800,000
          LD
          NTC
          UFA - 4
          FLA
          Nutivaara, Markus
          $2,700,000
          RD
          UFA - 1
          Reimer, James
          $1,750,000
          G
          NTC
          UFA - 2
          VAN
          Rathbone, Jack
          $925,000
          LD
          RFA - 1
          VAN
          Myers, Tyler
          $6,000,000
          RD
          NTC
          UFA - 3
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
          VAN
          MacEwen, Zack
          $825,000
          C, RW
          RFA - 1
          VAN
          Ferland, Micheal
          $3,500,000
          LW, RW
          NTC
          UFA - 2

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          Jul 20 at 3:12
          #26
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          Do I look nervous
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          Well, ya. He was a good defensemen. Were you trying to ask if I thought karlsson was good defensively? That’s a different answer. In his prime, he was solid. At his worst, he was miles better defensively than Hughes. Hughes is one of the worst defensive d men that’s ever pulled on an NHL sweater. At 5 on 5 he’s nothing special offensively either.


          Just stop being delusional. Do you need help? He is not the worst defensive d man…. This is literally his second year in the league and has beaten Charlie McAvoys point totals in both of those seasona. To call a 21 year old the worst defensive d man to ever put on a sweater is blatantly stupid…….
          Jul 20 at 3:15
          #27
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          Just stop being delusional. Do you need help? He is not the worst defensive d man…. This is literally his second year in the league and has beaten Charlie McAvoys point totals in both of those seasona. To call a 21 year old the worst defensive d man to ever put on a sweater is blatantly stupid…….


          So you bring up the term delusional when having a conversation about a players defensive ability, all while referencing point totals in your argument? What?

          He is horrid defensively. There is no argument to the contrary. At 5 on 5 he’s a third pairing d man. FYI at 5 on 5 (Mcavoy didn’t play the PP until the playoffs) Hughes had one whole entire point more than McAvoy in 5 extra games, playing against the biggest cupcake division the league has seen in decades.
          Jul 20 at 3:16
          #28
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          I didn’t take into account the term because I’m not the one offer sheeting him. My point is the cap is supposed to be the max offer that doesn’t require a compensation of four first rounders.


          do you think they would offer 10.2 x 5 and risk only having 5 years of pettersson for 4 1sts?
          Jul 20 at 3:17
          #29
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          Holy Christ….. third pair? Lol you must be delusional or are just a troll. More than half his points are in even strength.


          Sure. 22 even strength points in 56 games while playing horrid defense (-24 even with all those points) puts a player in the category of a third pairing specialist). Mike Reilly is a third pair guy. He had better 5 on 5 point totals.
          Jul 20 at 3:17
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          Quoting: palhal
          It's from Canuck fans who are just want cap space. I see so many Tampa and Leaf roster which are just 20 man rosters. C'mon guys let's try


          Talking about Hughes.
          Jul 20 at 3:18
          #31
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          Quoting: major_hassle
          do you think they would offer 10.2 x 5 and risk only having 5 years of pettersson for 4 1sts?


          Read description. Montreal is willing to offer the max amount of money UNDER the 4 first round pick range.
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          Jul 20 at 3:20
          #32
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          Sure. 22 even strength points in 56 games while playing horrid defense (-24 even with all those points) puts a player in the category of a third pairing specialist). Mike Reilly is a third pair guy. He had better 5 on 5 point totals.


          Just stop being a troll already… Any team would love to have Hughes but would any team really want Reilly? No I don’t think so. Just watch when Hughes defensive game gets better. You’re gonna wish that you never said those comments… once he is better defensively he will be a top 5 d man in the league….
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          Jul 20 at 3:22
          #33
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          So you bring up the term delusional when having a conversation about a players defensive ability, all while referencing point totals in your argument? What?

          He is horrid defensively. There is no argument to the contrary. At 5 on 5 he’s a third pairing d man. FYI at 5 on 5 (Mcavoy didn’t play the PP until the playoffs) Hughes had one whole entire point more than McAvoy in 5 extra games, playing against the biggest cupcake division the league has seen in decades.


          That’s very fun because for some reason the cupcake division has some of the best players in the league. Stop commenting and enjoy being irrelevant when your core ages out…
          Jul 20 at 3:26
          #34
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          Just stop being a troll already… Any team would love to have Hughes but would any team really want Reilly? No I don’t think so. Just watch when Hughes defensive game gets better. You’re gonna wish that you never said those comments… once he is better defensively he will be a top 5 d man in the league….


          Settle down champ. I’m not trolling, i have a different opinion from you, and that’s okay. Don’t you think perhaps a smidge of bias is slipping into what you’re saying. Notice, I’m not saying declarative things like you are with the, “he will be a top 5 d man in the league….rararara.” I don’t see it. I think he’s really bad defensively and I don’t think it’s the kind of thing that he’ll learn as he rounds out as a player. I personally don’t think he has the capability or skills to be anything but a powerplay specialist. He might get to the point where he’s okay defensively, at which point he’s a top four guy that excels on the PP. I could see that. I just view him as such a liability 5 on 5 that I don’t think he’ll ever get to a point where he’s an elite d man in this league. I hate to put a ceiling on a young player like that, but I kind of think if things go well he’ll be a Tyson Barrie type.
          Jul 20 at 3:27
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          That’s very fun because for some reason the cupcake division has some of the best players in the league. Stop commenting and enjoy being irrelevant when your core ages out…


          Again i just don’t see why you’re being so defensive here. What do the bruins have to do with this? I have an opinion that’s different than yours. Are you so insecure that you feel the need to lash out because of that?

          FYI I’m going to continue posting when I feel like it. If others having an opinion that is different from your own is such a horrible thing for you, you can always put me on your ignore list.

          But seriously, why are you bringing up points in a conversation about defensive play?
          Jul 20 at 3:45
          #36
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          Again i just don’t see why you’re being so defensive here. What do the bruins have to do with this? I have an opinion that’s different than yours. Are you so insecure that you feel the need to lash out because of that?

          FYI I’m going to continue posting when I feel like it. If others having an opinion that is different from your own is such a horrible thing for you, you can always put me on your ignore list.

          But seriously, why are you bringing up points in a conversation about defensive play?


          I’m not the kind of person to hold grudges on people. I respect everyone has their own opinion but some peoples opinion are just not right. You have the right to feel Quinn Hughes is not good defence man but to say he is bad offensively and call him a third pairing guy is just straight up wrong. I agree Quinn is not that good defensively right now but to call him a terrible player because of that is just invalid. You’re right points don’t have anything to do with defense but you’re also arguing about points here so that’s why I bring it up again
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          Jul 20 at 3:47
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          I’m not the kind of person to hold grudges on people. I respect everyone has their own opinion but some peoples opinion are just not right. You have the right to feel Quinn Hughes is not good defence man but to say he is bad offensively and call him a third pairing guy is just straight up wrong. I agree Quinn is not that good defensively right now but to call him a terrible player because of that is just invalid. You’re right points don’t have anything to do with defense but you’re also arguing about points here so that’s why I bring it up again


          When did i say he was bad offensively?
          Jul 20 at 3:49
          #38
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          Settle down champ. I’m not trolling, i have a different opinion from you, and that’s okay. Don’t you think perhaps a smidge of bias is slipping into what you’re saying. Notice, I’m not saying declarative things like you are with the, “he will be a top 5 d man in the league….rararara.” I don’t see it. I think he’s really bad defensively and I don’t think it’s the kind of thing that he’ll learn as he rounds out as a player. I personally don’t think he has the capability or skills to be anything but a powerplay specialist. He might get to the point where he’s okay defensively, at which point he’s a top four guy that excels on the PP. I could see that. I just view him as such a liability 5 on 5 that I don’t think he’ll ever get to a point where he’s an elite d man in this league. I hate to put a ceiling on a young player like that, but I kind of think if things go well he’ll be a Tyson Barrie type.


          To claim a player will never be good defensively based on a bad sophomore year is just completely invalid. Anyone can get good at defence it’s not like there’s a special force preventing him from becoming good defensive. The Canucks have hired an assistant coach to help Hughes defensively and it’s the same one that has shaped many very good defencemeb…
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          Jul 20 at 3:49
          #39
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          Quoting: CMcAvoy73
          When did i say he was bad offensively?


          When you claimed he was awful at 5 on 5 offence and the fact you compared him to Mike Reilly
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          Jul 20 at 3:54
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          When you claimed he was awful at 5 on 5 offence and the fact you compared him to Mike Reilly


          See, i didn’t do that. I think you should read my posts more carefully.
          Jul 20 at 3:56
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          Quoting: Juiceman
          To claim a player will never be good defensively based on a bad sophomore year is just completely invalid. Anyone can get good at defence it’s not like there’s a special force preventing him from becoming good defensive. The Canucks have hired an assistant coach to help Hughes defensively and it’s the same one that has shaped many very good defencemeb…

          Again, i think you should be reading my posts more carefully.

          There is one person here saying, “this player WILL be this or that.” It’s not me, it’s you. I’ve watched the player in college and the NHL, and I don’t think he has the ability to be a strong defensive player. Every opinion i’ve ventured on Hughes development has been in the context of, “I think.” Again, it just seems like you have a problem with someone having a subjective opinion. Calling it invalid just makes it seem like you’re insecure.
           
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