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Billys Machine

Created by: OutCold13
Initial Creation Date: Jul 20, 2021
Published: Jul 20 at 9:27
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
This is my best guess as to what Guerin is trying to do. I have no idea what the plan will be for year 3 and 4 of the Parise/ Suter buyouts. I think Billy will cross that bridge when he gets there, but at the moment he has cap space and I'm sure he would love to use it.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Menell, Brennan1$795,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill5$9,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cole, Ian2$1,500,000
Bonino, Nick2$750,000
Trades
MIN
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Rossi, Marco
  2. Dumba, Matt
  3. Greenway, Jordan
  4. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
  5. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
MIN
    SEA
    1. Kähkönen, Kaapo
    MIN
    1. Jarry, Tristan
    2. Pettersson, Marcus
    3. Kapanen, Kasperi
    PIT
    1. Fiala, Kevin [RFA Rights]
    Additional Details:
    Just a trade idea based on Wild needs, rumors, and Guerins love for Penguins players. It is a spitball so please offer suggestions.
    Buyouts
    • Zach Parise: $2,371,794
    • Ryan Suter: $2,371,794
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$72,832,096$0$815,000$8,667,904
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MIN
    Zuccarello, Mats
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    $5,250,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    $9,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Boldy, Matthew
    $880,833
    C
    RFA - 2
    MIN
    Rask, Victor
    $4,000,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    PIT
    Kapanen, Kasperi
    $3,200,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    $3,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    $725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Hartman, Ryan
    $1,700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Bonino, Nick
    $750,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Cramarossa, Joseph
    $750,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Bjugstad, Nick
    $900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    $6,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    $7,575,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MIN
    Talbot, Cam
    $3,666,667
    G
    UFA - 2
    PIT
    Pettersson, Marcus
    $4,025,175
    LD
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Addison, Calen
    $795,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    PIT
    Jarry, Tristan
    $3,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Soucy, Carson
    $2,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Cole, Ian
    $1,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    MIN
    Menell, Brennan
    $795,000
    D
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    $10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Dewar, Connor
    $825,833
    LW
    RFA - 1

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    Jul 20 at 9:30
    #1
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    literally not a full roster and once Jack Eichel comes back they are over the cap.
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    Jul 20 at 9:32
    #2
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: TomRichardsWild
    literally not a full roster and once Jack Eichel comes back they are over the cap.


    Which is why Rask would need to go to Buffalo, and I don't think Nick Bonino would sign for that
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    Jul 20 at 9:35
    #3
    Shibbal18
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    Swap Fiala and Dumba, Sabres also passed on Rossi once
    Jul 20 at 9:41
    #4
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Swap Fiala and Dumba, Sabres also passed on Rossi once


    I’ve always found that reasoning to be really weird. They passed on Rossi for Quinn, which in no way whatsoever suggests they don’t like Rossi. In fact, they maybe love Rossi but just so happened to like Quinn more. Sabres passing on Rossi doesn’t suggest they don’t like him. It’s a dumb rationale.
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    Jul 20 at 9:42
    #5
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Swap Fiala and Dumba, Sabres also passed on Rossi once


    I never really understood this argument. Just because they took Quinn over Rossi doesn't mean that they didn't like him. Simply means they had Quinn higher on their board. It could absolutely be the case that both Quinn and Rossi were ahead of where they picked. Not saying it is, but we just don't know and never will.

    Edit: @drmantalban beat me to the punch
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    Jul 20 at 9:42
    #6
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Swap Fiala and Dumba, Sabres also passed on Rossi once


    I know they were interested in Rossi and Quinn. If I had to guess, I would say Buffalo took need over BPA, or valued Quinn higher and Buffalo liked Quinn's two-way game and goal scoring, and the fact that we were (and still are weak) on the wings, especially the right side
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    Jul 20 at 9:44
    #7
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: TanSor
    I never really understood this argument. Just because they took Quinn over Rossi doesn't mean that they didn't like him. Simply means they had Quinn higher on their board. It could absolutely be the case that both Quinn and Rossi were ahead of where they picked. Not saying it is, but we just don't know and never will.

    Edit: drmantalban beat me to the punch


    I wouldn't be stunned one bit if the Sabres were interested in an Rossi-Quinn reunion
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    Jul 20 at 9:45
    #8
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    This might get me nominated for Common's preposterous statement tournament, but I don't think there's a single player on the Penguins roster I'd move Fiala for, not sure if I'd even do it for Crosby (he'll be 34 and I'm not sure if hell play more than a few years while Fiala is just entering his prime).
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    Jul 20 at 9:46
    #9
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    Quoting: TanSor
    I never really understood this argument. Just because they took Quinn over Rossi doesn't mean that they didn't like him. Simply means they had Quinn higher on their board. It could absolutely be the case that both Quinn and Rossi were ahead of where they picked. Not saying it is, but we just don't know and never will.

    Edit: drmantalban beat me to the punch


    Lol great minds, am I right?! But yeah in all seriousness, it’s a flawed argument. For all we know, Sabres draft room was split 50-50 on Quinn/Rossi and GM played the trump card.
    Jul 20 at 9:47
    #10
    wpg
    Joined: Dec 2017
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Swap Fiala and Dumba, Sabres also passed on Rossi once


    and the entire hockey world laughed at them (not that it hasn't worked out of course)

    don't get your comment tho.. that doesn't mean Rossi isn't a top grade prospect, that means Quinn was more more to BUF.. seeing the Sabres had their future centers locked in and Quinn potentially being Eichel's wingman

    actually the 2020 draft from 4-12 every team went best fit with the players left in that tier, ANA gm even publicly stated that

    but now the writings on the wall that Eichel's gone.. best plan would be to get a replacement no? if they draft Powers of course
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    Jul 20 at 9:48
    #11
    Patient gm
    Joined: Aug 2020
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    I’ve always found that reasoning to be really weird. They passed on Rossi for Quinn, which in no way whatsoever suggests they don’t like Rossi. In fact, they maybe love Rossi but just so happened to like Quinn more. Sabres passing on Rossi doesn’t suggest they don’t like him. It’s a dumb rationale.


    It’s not rationale just people being dumb. Ignore every comment like it. Also for the eichel deal drop greenway and add rask. That’s 5 solid pieces for eichel. I’d do 3 and a cap dump, but that’s just me. He’s great when healthy but he will cripple this team, so unless he gets a cup in his first 3 years in this team it’s setting back the franchise 8 years like Arizona.
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    Jul 20 at 9:54
    #12
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Lightman13
    It’s not rationale just people being dumb. Ignore every comment like it. Also for the eichel deal drop greenway and add rask. That’s 5 solid pieces for eichel. I’d do 3 and a cap dump, but that’s just me. He’s great when healthy but he will cripple this team, so unless he gets a cup in his first 3 years in this team it’s setting back the franchise 8 years like Arizona.


    ***id say the best way to do an Eichel trade if you’re Minnesota is conditional draft picks, and if I’m Buffalo, I want a conditional 2023 first rounder if he plays a certain amount of games hoping that pick will result in a higher pick.

    I can definitely see Dumba as a guy Buffalo would be interested in, and I wouldn’t be stunned if Minnesota also wanted Ristolainen as a second pair defenseman at a reduced cost of Buffalo retained (2.7m cap hit), which would be a huge bargain for Minnesota

    If Eichel is healthy he is more than worth it

    You may disagree but I think the deal should be Rossi+Dumba+Rask with 21 OA and a conditional 2023 first round pick if Eichel plays 60+ games or play a certain amount of playoff games for the 2023 pick
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    Jul 20 at 9:54
    #13
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    Hockey Fan13
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    Quoting: TanSor
    This might get me nominated for Common's preposterous statement tournament, but I don't think there's a single player on the Penguins roster I'd move Fiala for, not sure if I'd even do it for Crosby (he'll be 34 and I'm not sure if hell play more than a few years while Fiala is just entering his prime).


    I'm concerned with Fiala's contract negotiations. Fiala is the best player in the deal but I think this helps Wild fill holes in the roster. I also think Bill wants to get bigger on the blue line and Pettersson does that. During the Zucker negotiations it was rumored Bill was asking for Jarry and rumors out there say Pens have shopped him. Finally Kapanen brings speed, grit, and replaces a bit of Fiala's production. At least that's my thinking, it's been known to be flawed.
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    Jul 20 at 9:58
    #14
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: HockeyFan989
    and the entire hockey world laughed at them (not that it hasn't worked out of course)

    don't get your comment tho.. that doesn't mean Rossi isn't a top grade prospect, that means Quinn was more more to BUF.. seeing the Sabres had their future centers locked in and Quinn potentially being Eichel's wingman

    actually the 2020 draft from 4-12 every team went best fit with the players left in that tier, ANA gm even publicly stated that

    but now the writings on the wall that Eichel's gone.. best plan would be to get a replacement no? if they draft Powers of course


    I think they also wrote off Casey Mittelstadt but assumed that they would still have a good tear with Eichel and Staal as the one-2 and that would allow Cozens to develop. They haven’t had a legit 3C in a while.

    I think long term, they were thinking Eichel and Cozens down the middle in the top six and then Reinhardt and Quinn on the right wings.....that blew up in their face
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    Jul 20 at 9:59
    #15
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    I’ve always found that reasoning to be really weird. They passed on Rossi for Quinn, which in no way whatsoever suggests they don’t like Rossi. In fact, they maybe love Rossi but just so happened to like Quinn more. Sabres passing on Rossi doesn’t suggest they don’t like him. It’s a dumb rationale.


    I think they have less interest now than they did at the draft table, when they didnt take him
    Jul 20 at 10:00
    #16
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    I know they were interested in Rossi and Quinn. If I had to guess, I would say Buffalo took need over BPA, or valued Quinn higher and Buffalo liked Quinn's two-way game and goal scoring, and the fact that we were (and still are weak) on the wings, especially the right side


    I think missing an entire year didnt help
    Jul 20 at 10:02
    #17
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    ***id say the best way to do an Eichel trade if you’re Minnesota is conditional draft picks, and if I’m Buffalo, I want a conditional 2023 first rounder if he plays a certain amount of games hoping that pick will result in a higher pick.

    I can definitely see Dumba as a guy Buffalo would be interested in, and I wouldn’t be stunned if Minnesota also wanted Ristolainen as a second pair defenseman at a reduced cost of Buffalo retained (2.7m cap hit), which would be a huge bargain for Minnesota

    If Eichel is healthy he is more than worth it

    You may disagree but I think the deal should be Rossi+Dumba+Rask with 21 OA and a conditional 2023 first round pick if Eichel plays 60+ games or play a certain amount of playoff games for the 2023 pick


    0 interest in Dumba, overrated and he walks in 2 years, may as well sign a ufa a grow their prospects. Dumba makes no sense
    Jul 20 at 10:06
    #18
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I think they have less interest now than they did at the draft table, when they didnt take him


    You do realize that still does not suggest they aren't interested, correct?
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    Jul 20 at 10:08
    #19
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    Quoting: OutCold13
    I'm concerned with Fiala's contract negotiations. Fiala is the best player in the deal but I think this helps Wild fill holes in the roster. I also think Bill wants to get bigger on the blue line and Pettersson does that. During the Zucker negotiations it was rumored Bill was asking for Jarry and rumors out there say Pens have shopped him. Finally Kapanen brings speed, grit, and replaces a bit of Fiala's production. At least that's my thinking, it's been known to be flawed.


    I agree, but at that point just trade him for a top line center. None of these players particularly jump out at me, they're all good middle of the roster players and moving a dynamic player like Fiala for these guys would just be a huge mistake in my opinion.
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    Jul 20 at 10:09
    #20
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    0 interest in Dumba, overrated and he walks in 2 years, may as well sign a ufa a grow their prospects. Dumba makes no sense


    and I’m sure they have zero interest in Ristolainen, but at 2.7 million for a year? Why not, Buffalo can afford to take Dumba in the trade.

    He make sense because the can take his salary back from Minnesota to make the trade work, and Buffalo can trade him at the deadline for more assets.

    Minnesota needs to send out a good amount of salary to make a trade work and Dumba and Rask is one of the few ways to do it. They also still need to build a team around Eichel as well otherwise there’s no point for them to do it

    Not to mention , the Sabres don’t have a ton of leverage unless you can stomach trading him to the NY Rangers
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    Jul 20 at 10:16
    #21
    wpg
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    I think they also wrote off Casey Mittelstadt but assumed that they would still have a good tear with Eichel and Staal as the one-2 and that would allow Cozens to develop. They haven’t had a legit 3C in a while.

    I think long term, they were thinking Eichel and Cozens down the middle in the top six and then Reinhardt and Quinn on the right wings.....that blew up in their face


    agreed

    to be fair could've worked but Eichel's health really through a damper onto things... but hey the only right thing to do is take advantage of the situation

    taking a deeper look into it everything points to Eichel being in a Wild uniform next year of course other teams r involved but it looks like the Wild have to most to lost by missing out

    first Kaprizov and Fiala's contract situation.. I'm sure both would be alot easier if the Wild could add a top 10 center to their team, of course Kaprizov made the desire for the WIld to add a center public but im sure at Fiala's camp their arguing he could produced alot more if the best center option wasn't Johansson (EK wasnt in the picture yet)

    and the buyouts.. the obvious stand point is freeing up those expansion slots but at the same time it adds a lot of cap space as well as changing the face of the room for Eichel to fit in easier and their in win now so they gotta use that cap space

    just dont get why Guerin opted to protect 34 year old Talbot over Kähkönen
    Jul 20 at 10:22
    #22
    wpg
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I think missing an entire year didnt help


    to be fair alot of prospects did....obviously he was doing some form of training

    really gets u thinking tho.. the amount of potential steals that this draft could have

    how a team having done their homework could just stock up on picks and select potential steal after steal seeing the names r all over the place rn
    Jul 20 at 10:28
    #23
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: HockeyFan989
    to be fair alot of prospects did....obviously he was doing some form of training

    really gets u thinking tho.. the amount of potential steals that this draft could have

    how a team having done their homework could just stock up on picks and select potential steal after steal seeing the names r all over the place rn


    Or busts. Sabres arent a team i trust to scout well after firing all of their scouting staff a year ago
    Jul 20 at 10:29
    #24
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    and I’m sure they have zero interest in Ristolainen, but at 2.7 million for a year? Why not, Buffalo can afford to take Dumba in the trade.

    He make sense because the can take his salary back from Minnesota to make the trade work, and Buffalo can trade him at the deadline for more assets.

    Minnesota needs to send out a good amount of salary to make a trade work and Dumba and Rask is one of the few ways to do it. They also still need to build a team around Eichel as well otherwise there’s no point for them to do it

    Not to mention , the Sabres don’t have a ton of leverage unless you can stomach trading him to the NY Rangers


    If its Dumba for Risto sure. If he counts towards the value of Eichel, no. The Sabres can loan Eichel to Russia. They dont need to trade him
    Jul 20 at 10:39
    #25
    wpg
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Or busts. Sabres arent a team i trust to scout well after firing all of their scouting staff a year ago


    Quoting: Shibbal18
    If its Dumba for Risto sure. If he counts towards the value of Eichel, no. The Sabres can loan Eichel to Russia. They dont need to trade him


    Yeah their scouting record isn’t that good… but completely different crew now and the gm says he’s confident

    Yup let Eichel walk to Russia and lose him for free instead of getting a boatload of picks and prospects for him while only having to face him 2 times a year
     
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