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Isles

Created by: Isles777
Initial Creation Date: Jul 21, 2021
Published: Jul 21 at 10:11
Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi2$2,850,000
Beauvillier, Anthony5$5,000,000
Pelech, Adam7$5,500,000
Sorokin, Ilya1$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Parise, Zach1$1,000,000
McCabe, Jake1$2,000,000
Palmieri, Kyle3$4,500,000
Trades
NYI
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi [RFA Rights]
MTL
  1. Czarnik, Austin
  2. Vande Sompel, Mitch
  3. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
NYI
    SEA
    1. Eberle, Jordan
    Buyouts
    • Rick DiPietro: $0
    • Thomas Hickey: $833,334
    Buried
    • Richard Pánik: $250,000 ($1,375,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    EDM
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    2022
    COL
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    2023
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    NYI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$79,012,522$1,365,854$2,075,000$2,487,478
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NYI
    Lee, Anders
    $7,000,000
    LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    NYI
    Barzal, Mathew
    $7,000,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    NYI
    Wahlstrom, Oliver
    $894,167
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    NYI
    Beauvillier, Anthony
    $5,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Nelson, Brock
    $6,000,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Bailey, Josh
    $5,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Parise, Zach
    $1,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
    $2,850,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Palmieri, Kyle
    $4,500,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Martin, Matt
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
    $5,000,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    NYI
    Clutterbuck, Cal
    $3,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    NYI
    Pelech, Adam
    $5,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
    NYI
    Pulock, Ryan
    $5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Varlamov, Semyon
    $5,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    McCabe, Jake
    $2,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    NYI
    Dobson, Noah
    $894,167
    RD
    RFA - 1
    NYI
    Sorokin, Ilya
    $3,000,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    NYI
    Greene, Andy
    $750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Mayfield, Scott
    $1,450,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    NYI
    Komarov, Leo
    $3,000,000
    RW, LW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Boychuk, Johnny
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYI
    Aho, Sebastian
    $725,000
    LD
    RFA - 1

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    Jul 21 at 10:19
    #1
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    pass on kk
    Jul 21 at 10:19
    #2
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    the simple answer is no
    Jul 21 at 10:21
    #3
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    Isles7
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    Quoting: GoHabsGo99
    the simple answer is no


    I disagree. Bergevin would accept
    Jul 21 at 10:22
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    One B prospect, an AHL player and a Mysterious pick 1 year from now (probably out of the top 15). Quick everybody we have top jump on that before its too late!!!
    Jul 21 at 10:22
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I disagree. Bergevin would accept


    mhmmm...
    Jul 21 at 10:23
    #6
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I disagree. Bergevin would accept


    Are you dumb?
    Jul 21 at 10:27
    #7
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    Quoting: Daredevil514
    One B prospect, an AHL player and a Mysterious pick 1 year from now (probably out of the top 15). Quick everybody we have top jump on that before its too late!!!


    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Are you dumb?


    Kotkaniemi has struggled and probably needs a change of scenery. Lou lamoriello wants more Finnish players on the isles -
    Jul 21 at 10:30
    #8
    Dach is Elite
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Kotkaniemi has struggled and probably needs a change of scenery. Lou lamoriello wants more Finnish players on the isles -


    He doesn’t need any change of scenery he fits in perfectly fine
    Jul 21 at 10:30
    #9
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Kotkaniemi has struggled and probably needs a change of scenery. Lou lamoriello wants more Finnish players on the isles -


    yesterday from a Wild fan was KK + #30 this year + lotto protected 2022 for Fiala + Dumba (good trade)

    this is garbo
    Jul 21 at 10:33
    #10
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    He doesn’t need any change of scenery he fits in perfectly fine


    Quoting: GoHabsGo99
    yesterday from a Wild fan was KK + #30 this year + lotto protected 2022 for Fiala + Dumba (good trade)

    this is garbo


    I think he does need a change of scenery. You’re lucky I included a 2022 1st, that’s a bit generous.

    Jul 21 at 10:35
    #11
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    Quoting: islanders15
    pass on kk


    Word on the street Lou lamoriello is trying to acquire more Finnish players - maybe a 2021 2nd instead of the 2022 1st?
    Jul 21 at 10:35
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I think he does need a change of scenery. You’re lucky I included a 2022 1st, that’s a bit generous.



    When it comes to your younger players you need to be patient with their development

    Plus he never requested a trade
    Jul 21 at 10:36
    #13
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I think he does need a change of scenery. You’re lucky I included a 2022 1st, that’s a bit generous.



    he is a 5-year project player who wasn't supposed to make the team until now

    plenty of players haven't hit their stride right away...you don't give up on them for literally nothing
    Jul 21 at 10:38
    #14
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    Can't tell if this is a real suggestion or trolling Habs fans thinking they can get Beauvillier for scraps.

    Either way I'm here for it.
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    Jul 21 at 10:39
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Kotkaniemi has struggled and probably needs a change of scenery. Lou lamoriello wants more Finnish players on the isles -


    He does not need a change of scenery. With the departure of Danault he will get the key of the car with Suzuki. The only piece interesting here is the first and it will be a late one. I dont know what your smoking but in what world does a GM trade a 21 years old 3rd overall pick with 2 30pts seasons (if you project the last one over 82 games) + 2 respectable playoff performance in a limited role. Yes he's inconsistent and probably wont ever be as good as a 3rd overall pick should be but this offer is still garbage.
    Jul 21 at 10:43
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    Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
    Can't tell if this is a real suggestion or trolling Habs fans thinking they can get Beauvillier for scraps.

    Either way I'm here for it.


    Let’s just say kotkaniemi already follows Leo komarov on Instagram.
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    Jul 21 at 11:39
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I think he does need a change of scenery. You’re lucky I included a 2022 1st, that’s a bit generous.



    You seem to be wanting KK really bad yet keep saying he's garbage....Hmmmmmm......Habs decline easily

    Plus KK is only 21. Gotta give the kid some time. Garbage trade offer. We could 100% get way better offers than this
    Jul 21 at 11:40
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Let’s just say kotkaniemi already follows Leo komarov on Instagram.


    That means nothing LOL
    Jul 21 at 11:53
    #19
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Let’s just say kotkaniemi already follows Leo komarov on Instagram.


    Ah, I see.
    Jul 21 at 12:05
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    Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
    Ah, I see.


    what are your thoughts on the isles going for Landeskog?
    Jul 21 at 1:34
    #21
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    Quoting: Isles777
    what are your thoughts on the isles going for Landeskog?


    Mixed emotions for sure. Always fun to get a big name UFA and he *should* be an upgrade on Eberle.

    However, that contract will almost certainly be too much for too long. I feel like Ebs at 5.5 x 3 is much better value than Landeskog at 8.5 x 7, even though he should be a little better and with a team with as much money locked up as we have, that kind of thing really, really matters.

    And what if we don’t get him? We lose our 1st line RW for nothing and then maybe stuck with Bailey to replace him (Trotz will not play Wahlstrom 1st line out of the gate lol) or take a massive risk and give up more assets for Tarasenko. This whole thing is very, very risky imo
    Jul 21 at 1:47
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    Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
    Mixed emotions for sure. Always fun to get a big name UFA and he *should* be an upgrade on Eberle.

    However, that contract will almost certainly be too much for too long. I feel like Ebs at 5.5 x 3 is much better value than Landeskog at 8.5 x 7, even though he should be a little better and with a team with as much money locked up as we have, that kind of thing really, really matters.

    And what if we don’t get him? We lose our 1st line RW for nothing and then maybe stuck with Bailey to replace him (Trotz will not play Wahlstrom 1st line out of the gate lol) or take a massive risk and give up more assets for Tarasenko. This whole thing is very, very risky imo


    Yeah I feel the same way. Landeskog will be an upgrade, but how much ? I’m still down to sign him though lol.

    Palmieri likely gets re-signed - He is a better finisher than Eberle, but not a better player.
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    Jul 21 at 3:22
    #23
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    Quoting: Isles777
    Yeah I feel the same way. Landeskog will be an upgrade, but how much ? I’m still down to sign him though lol.

    Palmieri likely gets re-signed - He is a better finisher than Eberle, but not a better player.


    I’m still incredibly dubious about Palmieri. Dude had an awful year in NJ and then came to LI and didn’t get it going until the postseason. There’s a chance he returns to form I guess and he used to be really good, but I just have a hard time seeing him getting back there.

    The more I think about it, the more I start to think we should get a cheaper top-6 forward (Saad, Coleman, Tatar) than Landy and then also sign an OFD to replace Leddy (Mike Reilly, like I’ve suggested before) instead of blowing all our cap on one player. Feel like Reilly’s offense could help make up for some of the offense we’ll lose with Ebs and gives us an element we haven’t had with Leddy in a couple seasons
    Jul 21 at 3:29
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    Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
    I’m still incredibly dubious about Palmieri. Dude had an awful year in NJ and then came to LI and didn’t get it going until the postseason. There’s a chance he returns to form I guess and he used to be really good, but I just have a hard time seeing him getting back there.

    The more I think about it, the more I start to think we should get a cheaper top-6 forward (Saad, Coleman, Tatar) than Landy and then also sign an OFD to replace Leddy (Mike Reilly, like I’ve suggested before) instead of blowing all our cap on one player. Feel like Reilly’s offense could help make up for some of the offense we’ll lose with Ebs and gives us an element we haven’t had with Leddy in a couple seasons


    I was talking to someone on here who knows a lot about analytics in hockey, and when I said Palmieri wouldn't age well he said that even strength defense (which palmieri is very good at) ages better than any other skill. Palmieri was still a pretty good offensive play driver last season, it was just his finishing that took a hit. He might be due for some positive regression like Anders Lee last season. I'd be good with4- 4.5 mill on a 2-3 year deal.

    I would love Coleman, I think he gets 5.5-6 mill. I can't see them being interested in Tatar. Saad probably re-signs with the Avs. My dream is to trade for Conor Garland lol - but yeah honestly that would be a good idea but either way I'd be fine with it. Landeskog would be cool. It would be tough to screw up this offseason now, trading Beau would be the only way to do that, but after losing leddy +eberle, I can;'t see why they'd even consider trading him.
    Jul 21 at 6:12
    #25
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    Quoting: Isles777
    I was talking to someone on here who knows a lot about analytics in hockey, and when I said Palmieri wouldn't age well he said that even strength defense (which palmieri is very good at) ages better than any other skill. Palmieri was still a pretty good offensive play driver last season, it was just his finishing that took a hit. He might be due for some positive regression like Anders Lee last season. I'd be good with4- 4.5 mill on a 2-3 year deal.

    I would love Coleman, I think he gets 5.5-6 mill. I can't see them being interested in Tatar. Saad probably re-signs with the Avs. My dream is to trade for Conor Garland lol - but yeah honestly that would be a good idea but either way I'd be fine with it. Landeskog would be cool. It would be tough to screw up this offseason now, trading Beau would be the only way to do that, but after losing leddy +eberle, I can;'t see why they'd even consider trading him.


    Three years max is what I'd want for Palmieri. Let's hope his asking price has come down since before the trade...

    Garland would be amazing but he'd probably cost a lot. He'd be worth whatever we would realistically offer, but I think other teams will be able to offer more. Maybe its because I'm a Hawks fan too, but I think Saad would be great; he'd replace some of Eberle's play driving, can play wherever we need him to in the lineup and while he isn't the best defensive player, I think his traits would fit the system well and they'd squeeze the most out of him. Probably looking at a 5x5 (or close to it) with him so it's a bit steep, but it's a good risk to take I think
     
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