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Is Bill Armstrong a genius

Created by: Roysboy72
Team: 2021-22 Arizona Coyotes
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 23, 2021
Published: Jul. 23, 2021
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I've been loving the moves he's made recently
Free Agent Signings
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2$775,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,325,000
1$775,000
2$2,575,000
1$1,175,000
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  1. Johnson, Erik
  2. 2022 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2022 7th round pick (COL)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (COL)
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(Also, is this realistic? Value-wise)
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    Jul. 23, 2021 at 7:48 p.m.
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    They gotta hit on these picks, but he’s done a fanatastic job!
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    Jul. 23, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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    I doubt Sakic would do that

    Value wise the comparable would be Gostisbehere which was a 2nd + 7th, Avs arent paying a 1st on top of that for an extra 1.5M per year
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 8:04 p.m.
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    I wonder if Edmonton trades their 1st for Dvorak
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 8:20 p.m.
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    COL on no planet does that trade. Trading with JB is one thing trading with Sakic is another.
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 8:45 p.m.
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    I doubt Sakic would do that

    Value wise the comparable would be Gostisbehere which was a 2nd + 7th, Avs arent paying a 1st on top of that for an extra 1.5M per year


    Idk its somewhere in between imo. I would compare it to the ladd trade.
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Idk its somewhere in between imo. I would compare it to the ladd trade.


    Is Ladd ever going to play again? EJ is looking like hes ready to go next season
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 9:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: moli92
    Is Ladd ever going to play again? EJ is looking like hes ready to go next season


    Armstrong said he wanted ladd to play. Plus ej has an nmc and ladd has a 16 team no trade. And johnson played 4 games last year so idk.
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 9:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Armstrong said he wanted ladd to play. Plus ej has an nmc and ladd has a 16 team no trade. And johnson played 4 games last year so idk.


    Even before 20-21 Ladd was mostly an AHLer. EJ missed time because of injury but when healthy is still a useful NHLer, I think that sets him apart from Ladd for sure. Gostisbehere imo is the best comparable for him in terms of a cap dump trade based on position and player quality
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 9:50 p.m.
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    Plus Johnson has a NMC. Doubt if he wants to finish his career in Arizona
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 10:26 p.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    Plus Johnson has a NMC. Doubt if he wants to finish his career in Arizona

    True, but if Sakic decided he had no choice but to move a big contract I'm sure Erik would understand.
    Jul. 23, 2021 at 10:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: moli92
    Even before 20-21 Ladd was mostly an AHLer. EJ missed time because of injury but when healthy is still a useful NHLer, I think that sets him apart from Ladd for sure. Gostisbehere imo is the best comparable for him in terms of a cap dump trade based on position and player quality


    I disagree. I think ghosts deal was based on a potential bounceback, ej isnt going to get better. I agree ladd shouldnt play in the nhl but thats what armstrong said thats not from me. A role player @5.5-6 million for 2 years with big injury questions. They actually sound kind of similar. Plus ej cant be sent down if wanted.
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    Jul. 24, 2021 at 12:22 a.m.
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    I disagree. I think ghosts deal was based on a potential bounceback, ej isnt going to get better. I agree ladd shouldnt play in the nhl but thats what armstrong said thats not from me. A role player @5.5-6 million for 2 years with big injury questions. They actually sound kind of similar. Plus ej cant be sent down if wanted.


    I just think there's too big of a gap in terms of the quality of player between EJ and Ladd to use that as a comparable. In terms of dollar amount sure, but Ladd isn't NHL quality even if ARZ plans on using him in the NHL, while EJ is. Not sure why they would want to send EJ down anyway. But at the end of the day the difference between the Ladd and Gostisbehere dumps is pretty much just an extra 2nd. Even if you split the difference that's probably around a 2nd + 3rd, maybe add another pick conditional on playing vs retiring like the Ladd deal (but in EJs case I doubt the pick would be transferred).

    I just dont think a 1st would be involved like in this posts proposal
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 12:37 a.m.
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    If avs were that desperate for cap space they would buy out ej for the 4m in cap relief

    Moving all that draft capital for an additional 2m in savings isn’t worth it

    Plus ej doesn’t have negative value. He had a concussion, his injury isn’t career threatening that he can’t ever play again like it’s dead money
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 2:26 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    If avs were that desperate for cap space they would buy out ej for the 4m in cap relief

    Moving all that draft capital for an additional 2m in savings isn’t worth it

    Plus ej doesn’t have negative value. He had a concussion, his injury isn’t career threatening that he can’t ever play again like it’s dead money


    Dead money and negative value are 2 different things. Dead money? No. Negative value? Certainly.
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 9:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: Roysboy72
    True, but if Sakic decided he had no choice but to move a big contract I'm sure Erik would understand.


    Oh, I think Johnson understands, it's just that Sakic understands that players have NMC and NTC for a reason, and that is the player doesn't want to traded to bottom feeders that have cap. Sorry Johnson stays in Colorado.
    Just like in Tampa....so many NMCs, NTCs and MNTCs. Those players don't have any reason to make it "easy" for Tampa to manage their cap.
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 10:07 a.m.
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    Quoting: Im_islesforthecup
    Dead money and negative value are 2 different things. Dead money? No. Negative value? Certainly.


    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player
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    Jul. 24, 2021 at 10:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player

    OEL was in no way moved for assets, the picks going to Arizona are to counteract the 12 million in cap they took on from Vancouver, plus the fact that they got Garland to sweeten the deal. OEL may still be a net positive player on the ice, but he’s a negative value asset.
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Duncan Keith was moved for Assets, OEL was moved for Assets. EJ if healthy will be moved for assets. He is still a good player


    Good point keith is a great example. But ej doesnt have positive value, its just 3/4 of cf users would be better than holland.
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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    OEL was in no way moved for assets, the picks going to Arizona are to counteract the 12 million in cap they took on from Vancouver, plus the fact that they got Garland to sweeten the deal. OEL may still be a net positive player on the ice, but he’s a negative value asset.


    You don’t think getting guys who will be flippable at the deadline is assets, they didn’t have to pay to get rid of him, I. The end they will get a bunch of mid draft picks for roussell and beagle at the deadline bc teams love trading 3rd and 4th for him
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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    Good point keith is a great example. But ej doesnt have positive value, its just 3/4 of cf users would be better than holland.


    It’s not high value but it’s not negative value either,
    Jul. 24, 2021 at 1:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    You don’t think getting guys who will be flippable at the deadline is assets, they didn’t have to pay to get rid of him, I. The end they will get a bunch of mid draft picks for roussell and beagle at the deadline bc teams love trading 3rd and 4th for him

    I mean, as a Red Wings fan I think DeKeyser could get a late round pick back if half of his cap hit ($5mil) is retained, but I wouldn’t call him a positive asset if cap would need to be retained to move him. Signing a marginal NHL player in free agency on a cheap 1 year deal would likely get better value at the deadline, and that’s easier and cheaper. Plus, I don’t see much value in Beagle or Roussel even if cap gets retained, they combined for only 9 points in 65 games last season and they’ve been steadily declining. The only one I could see getting moved for anything in return at this point would be Beagle, for a team that wants his faceoffs on the fourth line.
     
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