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PK BABY COME BACK TO ME

Created by: HabsRSus
Initial Creation Date: Jul 27, 2021
Published: Jul 27 at 12:27
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi3$2,750,000
Poehling, Ryan2$1,250,000
Lehkonen, Artturi2$2,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Perry, Corey1$800,000
Armia, Joel1$2,800,000
Savard, David3$2,800,000
Saad, Brandon3$4,500,000
Wennberg, Alexander3$3,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Wideman, Chris1$950,000
Trades
MTL
    Future Considerations
    ARI
    1. Byron, Paul
    2. 2023 4th round pick (MTL)
    MTL
    1. 2022 4th round pick (ANA)
    2. 2022 6th round pick (NSH)
    ANA
    1. Lehkonen, Artturi
    MTL
    1. Subban, P.K. ($4,500,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    Deadline Deal
    NJD
    1. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
    2. 2024 3rd round pick (MTL)
    Buyouts
    • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    ANA
    MTL
    TBL
    ANA
    MTL
    MTL
    NSH
    MTL
    STL
    2023
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    2024
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$80,269,227$597,561$1,475,000$1,230,773
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MTL
    Anderson, Josh
    $5,500,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Suzuki, Nick
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Caufield, Cole
    $880,833
    RW, C
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Toffoli, Tyler
    $4,250,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Wennberg, Alexander
    $3,750,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Gallagher, Brendan
    $6,500,000
    RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Drouin, Jonathan
    $5,500,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
    $2,750,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    Saad, Brandon
    $4,500,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    MTL
    Armia, Joel
    $2,800,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Evans, Jake
    $750,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Perry, Corey
    $800,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MTL
    Edmundson, Joel
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Petry, Jeff
    $6,250,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Price, Carey
    $10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    MTL
    Romanov, Alexander
    $894,167
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Savard, David
    $2,800,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    MTL
    Allen, Jake
    $2,875,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Chiarot, Ben
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Subban, P.K.
    $4,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    MTL
    Kulak, Brett
    $1,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Weber, Shea
    $7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 5
    MTL
    Poehling, Ryan
    $1,250,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Wideman, Chris
    $950,000

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    Jul 27 at 12:31
    #1
    FLA V4 AGM
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    Habs traded subban away for "Character issues", dont think they bring him back
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    Jul 27 at 12:34
    #2
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    Quoting: LGuy54
    Habs traded subban away for "Character issues", dont think they bring him back


    it was more so they wanted D over offence
    Jul 27 at 12:39
    #3
    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    it was more so they wanted D over offence


    Nope it was 100% because of the garbage he was doing in dressing room and off the ice.

    Habs will never take him back
    Jul 27 at 12:43
    #4
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Nope it was 100% because of the garbage he was doing in dressing room and off the ice.

    Habs will never take him back


    like what fill me in? i remember him donating 10 mil to monreals hospital
    Jul 27 at 12:45
    #5
    MartysBetter
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    That seems like a pretty fair trade to me. I see a lot of people on here who seem to think a PK trade would be a cap dump where the Devils trade Subban+assets to get rid of him. I think that is wayy off. First of all NJ has no cap issues for the next year so there is no need to rid of the contract if a hockey trade doesnt make sense. Second, after an abysmal 2019-20, PK actually had a very solid season last year. 0.43 PPG not bad at all and he looked extremely good on the powerplay. He probably doesn't have much value without retention but I think with 50% a 2nd and 3rd is a fair deal for both teams.
    Jul 27 at 12:48
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    Quoting: MartysBetter29
    That seems like a pretty fair trade to me. I see a lot of people on here who seem to think a PK trade would be a cap dump where the Devils trade Subban+assets to get rid of him. I think that is wayy off. First of all NJ has no cap issues for the next year so there is no need to rid of the contract if a hockey trade doesnt make sense. Second, after an abysmal 2019-20, PK actually had a very solid season last year. 0.43 PPG not bad at all and he looked extremely good on the powerplay. He probably doesn't have much value without retention but I think with 50% a 2nd and 3rd is a fair deal for both teams.


    its more likely to just be one pick but probably the 2nd cause of the cap retained, but it would be a dealine deal forsure as i see NJ not being anywhere near the top
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    Jul 27 at 12:58
    #7
    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    like what fill me in? i remember him donating 10 mil to monreals hospital


    I know of five issues. I will only tell you one. The team was meeting the alumni and their families. Everyone had arrived except pk. Then he arrived wearing a huge hat and made a grand entrance. He then ignored several hall of famers. Guy lafleur said in French, somebody needs to slap that guy in the back of the head.

    Rejean Houle who is the president of the alumni, went to Mr. Molson and explained how many of the alumni players felt disrespected by pk.

    The real concern was his no trade contract was kicking in the following season and wondered what he may be like once his no trade kicks in.
    Jul 27 at 1:00
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    I know of five issues. I will only tell you one. The team was meeting the alumni and their families. Everyone had arrived except pk. Then he arrived wearing a huge hat and made a grand entrance. He then ignored several hall of famers. Guy lafleur said in French, somebody needs to slap that guy in the back of the head.

    Rejean Houle who is the president of the alumni, went to Mr. Molson and explained how many of the alumni players felt disrespected by pk.

    The real concern was his no trade contract was kicking in the following season and wondered what he may be like once his no trade kicks in.


    Unless you're an employee i cant see anyone knowing a story like this and it never hitting social media...
    Jul 27 at 1:05
    #9
    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    Unless you're an employee i cant see anyone knowing a story like this and it never hitting social media...


    Not an employee but invited guest of one of the alumni’s. Trust me there was tension in the room. I can’t write in French but I can speak it and hear it.
    Jul 27 at 1:06
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Not an employee but invited guest of one of the alumni’s. Trust me there was tension in the room. I can’t write in French but I can speak it and hear it.


    IDK Seems Fishy for something like this to never see any kind of daylight
    Jul 27 at 1:09
    #11
    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    IDK Seems Fishy for something like this to never see any kind of daylight


    I’ve known pk since 2007. He comes from a very good family but after he left Belleville, he loved the spotlight. Guy Boucher had issues with him when in Hamilton AHL.
    Jul 27 at 1:14
    #12
    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    IDK Seems Fishy for something like this to never see any kind of daylight


    Also, not everyone on here is a teenager. But every time I tell people my inside knowledge from 30 years coaching, scouting at Jr A, O & Q, I get mocked and laughed at by keyboard warriors that just make fun of people online. Just 3 days ago I blocked 4 people that lacked knowledge on Logan Mailloux. They were rambling false and untrue gossip.
    Jul 27 at 1:20
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Also, not everyone on here is a teenager. But every time I tell people my inside knowledge from 30 years coaching, scouting at Jr A, O & Q, I get mocked and laughed at by keyboard warriors that just make fun of people online. Just 3 days ago I blocked 4 people that lacked knowledge on Logan Mailloux. They were rambling false and untrue gossip.


    Im not saying you're wrong, just in the age of social media its hard to keep anything off the internet like that. People always seem to find out and it spreads like wildfire. If there were alot of things like this behind closed doors then it makes sense why he wouldn't come back.
    Jul 27 at 1:27
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    Im not saying you're wrong, just in the age of social media its hard to keep anything off the internet like that. People always seem to find out and it spreads like wildfire. If there were alot of things like this behind closed doors then it makes sense why he wouldn't come back.


    Fair point but the group that was snubbed have won numerous cups. They know how to conduct themselves. They don’t chase the media or social media and when Mr. Lafleur made that comment he said it to Houle, Cournoyer, Bouchard & Tremblay. I was standing to their left and I only told my wife. I certainly wasn’t going to betray players I grew up watching and felt honoured to be in their presence. This happened in December 2015. Six years ago.
    Jul 27 at 1:36
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Fair point but the group that was snubbed have won numerous cups. They know how to conduct themselves. They don’t chase the media or social media and when Mr. Lafleur made that comment he said it to Houle, Cournoyer, Bouchard & Tremblay. I was standing to their left and I only told my wife. I certainly wasn’t going to betray players I grew up watching and felt honoured to be in their presence. This happened in December 2015. Six years ago.


    Why say it now? like I'm glad you did but what's the reason?
    Jul 27 at 1:46
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    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    Why say it now? like I'm glad you did but what's the reason?


    It’s 6 years ago. An eternity in hockey. I was an agent for a few years and I had teams say they really wanted a certain player, only to be told 12 hours later they had no interest.

    Rightly or wrongly hockey changes and moves incredibly fast. Many of the coaches, gm’s are divorced or on their second marriage.

    From 2006 to 2015 I was heavily involved. Had two phones going. The turning point for me was the tension headaches and the constant phone calls. It interrupts family time. So I walked away and only do counselling with athletes now.

    I’m still involved but on my own terms. Not making this about me but I always have time to explain properly to someone politely responding.

    I honestly learned that from Jean Belliveau at a dinner in 2000.
    Jul 27 at 2:03
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    It’s 6 years ago. An eternity in hockey. I was an agent for a few years and I had teams say they really wanted a certain player, only to be told 12 hours later they had no interest.

    Rightly or wrongly hockey changes and moves incredibly fast. Many of the coaches, gm’s are divorced or on their second marriage.

    From 2006 to 2015 I was heavily involved. Had two phones going. The turning point for me was the tension headaches and the constant phone calls. It interrupts family time. So I walked away and only do counselling with athletes now.

    I’m still involved but on my own terms. Not making this about me but I always have time to explain properly to someone politely responding.

    I honestly learned that from Jean Belliveau at a dinner in 2000.


    Nice, I'm no teenager as you said before but I'm still learning more everyday and Im hoping that Im able to make an impact in the hockey world eventually. I love coaching the game and im currently trying to get started on that side of the game now that I'm no longer playing anymore.
    Jul 27 at 2:51
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    Habs4ever
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    Quoting: HabsRSus
    Nice, I'm no teenager as you said before but I'm still learning more everyday and Im hoping that Im able to make an impact in the hockey world eventually. I love coaching the game and im currently trying to get started on that side of the game now that I'm no longer playing anymore.


    Depending on your skills, knowledge, desires, start in minor hockey, get your coaching certifications. If you want to go higher junior b or a, start as volunteer.

    I started in 1992 with bantam A, worked my way up. Also helps a lot to buy books on communication, leadership, team building, teenagers
    Jul 27 at 3:01
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    Quoting: Habs4ever
    Depending on your skills, knowledge, desires, start in minor hockey, get your coaching certifications. If you want to go higher junior b or a, start as volunteer.

    I started in 1992 with bantam A, worked my way up. Also helps a lot to buy books on communication, leadership, team building, teenagers


    Right now I'm in the process of looking for a local hockey team that needs help on the bench and at practices. I'd say my knowledge is good enough to start around Bantam age group and be helpful but I'm Mainly looking for experience to help with actually translating my knowledge into verbal communication between myself and players.
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