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(COL/ARI) - Timmins, 2022 1st round pick, and 2024 conditional 3rd round pick for Kuemper

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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:03 p.m.
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Word to the wise:



Never take a pending UFA's promise that he'll sign an extension with your team as being truthful.

Too much money at stake.



When it comes to Philippe Grubauer, Joe Sakic should have known better.

Pure and simple.
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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Colorado just messed up leverage today and put themselves in a situation where they had to overpay.

A first and a good young player for a goalie should get you a young goalie for long term not a 31 year old pending Ufa.

All that being said he's still a good goalie on a low caphit so it's not the end of the world.
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:08 p.m.
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Korenar and Hutton is your new goalie tandem in Arizona, everyone! #shameforshane

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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:10 p.m.
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This is a trade you make for Alex Nedeljkovic, not Darcy Kuemper.

I find it funny that Carolina only got a 3rd round pick for Nedeljkovic because Bernier decided to go play for the Devils.


Joe Sakic didn't even bother to ask for lottery protection on the 1st round pick.

And he gives up a blue-chip prospect.

And he gives up a 3rd round pick if the Avs win the Cup.


This is inexcusable for Colorado.

I voted for the Arizona Coyotes smile


Timmins is not a blue chip prospect. He may have been two years ago. At this point he's similar to a guy like Liljegren where he's 3 years post draft and not quite established as a firm nhler. Still good upside and I like him but he's not blue chip at this point.
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.
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Damn, have to wonder how they weren't in on ullmark earlier. I mean keumper is good but its alot.
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:16 p.m.
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Damn, have to wonder how they weren't in on ullmark earlier. I mean keumper is good but its alot.


I suspect in realtime (vs when it leaked), Ullmark and grubauer signed close together and they had too many eggs in the grubauer basket.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:27 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:37 p.m.
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How many picks are you going to get?

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This meme about to become a legend next to the no no no laugh
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:28 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:38 p.m.
Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Freddy got a 1st and 2nd from the leafs (Steel and Comtois)
Lehner (and the corpse of David Legwand) to Buffalo got the sens a 1st


But remember Freddie was an RFA. So leafs had full control and while im not saying Lou didnt overpay still was better than if he was a UFA. That said Kuemper is a UFA so could walk for nothing.

Either way this is very risky for Colorado but Kuemper is a very good goalie so its worth it for now. Probs gonna get him extended at the deadline
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Jfstompers
Damn, have to wonder how they weren't in on ullmark earlier. I mean keumper is good but its alot.


Still not sold on Ullmark. Like I know he did good in Buffalo but the most games he played in buffalo was 37games and he also has 0 playoff games. For Colorado that could signal red flags as what if he struggled in the post season. Mack would be going 10 years so to speak without winning **** (his words not mine). Kuemper was doing incredible in Arizona and showed he is a natural starter. Heck his playoff numbers weren't that bad either. Now I'm not saying the price Colorado paid wasn't high. But what they get is a genuine starting goalie (when healthy)
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:35 p.m.
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it's a late round first for a rental goalie. ++++
It's an overpay, but probably not as drastic as some people make it out to be.
The boom or bust on trade mentality at work.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Freddy got a 1st and 2nd from the leafs (Steel and Comtois)
Lehner (and the corpse of David Legwand) to Buffalo got the sens a 1st


Timmons > a 2nd plus the condition, but thats very minor. The lehner trade isn't equal because you're 10p% correct. It included a cap dump. Lots of cap dump cost draft capital. This is worse than both, but the Freddie trade is close, I'll give you that.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:43 p.m.
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Houston wins.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:55 p.m.
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Arizona is all in on the fight for Wright
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:55 p.m.
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Jackpot W for the Yotes here. However, COL did upgrade from Grubauer (if healthy) and at a much lower AAV. The question is: will Darcy stay healthy? If he does, he'll be a Vezina finalist next season.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 10:57 p.m.
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Sakic is dealing with an issue he's never really had to deal with as Avs GM: The Cap.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:30 p.m.
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This is a pretty terrible trade by the Aves. Goalies don't have a lot of trade value. Ned got a 3rd Lehner got a 2nd. I honestly dont know the last goalie that got a 1st a good prospect and conditional 3rd.


They overplayed their hand and got screwed when they didn't get grubauer and all the other UFAs were gone. Kuemper was essentially the last option (still curious what's happening in Dallas mind you), and they were competing with Edmonton for kuemper. They had no leverage. They overpaid in a general sense but they messed up letting themselves get to that point and had to do it
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:31 p.m.
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Timmons > a 2nd plus the condition, but thats very minor. The lehner trade isn't equal because you're 10p% correct. It included a cap dump. Lots of cap dump cost draft capital. This is worse than both, but the Freddie trade is close, I'll give you that.


Both of those were also for young goalies to be a goalie for the future. This is for a 31 year old pending Ufa. They had to overpay and did
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:32 p.m.
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Jackpot W for the Yotes here. However, COL did upgrade from Grubauer (if healthy) and at a much lower AAV. The question is: will Darcy stay healthy? If he does, he'll be a Vezina finalist next season.


How is kuemper an upgrade on grubauer? Grubauer was a Vezina finalist last year and is a great goalie...
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:32 p.m.
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Quoting: BCAPP
They overplayed their hand and got screwed when they didn't get grubauer and all the other UFAs were gone. Kuemper was essentially the last option (still curious what's happening in Dallas mind you), and they were competing with Edmonton for kuemper. They had no leverage. They overpaid in a general sense but they messed up letting themselves get to that point and had to do it


Yes, but they didn't need to knee jerk it. They could have taken some time to think it through.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
How many picks are you going to get?

Houston:

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Sakic got robbed.
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Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.
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Coyotes drafting whole 2022 class.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.
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Yes, but they didn't need to knee jerk it. They could have taken some time to think it through.


Then Edmonton would have traded for kuemper and they would be a contender with an mvp candidate and Norris candidate and no goalie. That's a good way to waste a good team.

In the end they've traded and drafted well so their prospect pool is deep (they still have Newhook and Byram Bowen and Kaut) and they couldn't afford to wait longer and lose even kuemper as an option.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:35 p.m.
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Coyotes drafting whole 2022 class.


NHL 2022 entry draft is being replaced with the Coyotes 2022 entry draft
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:37 p.m.
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Colorado had no leverage whatsoever. Arizona did really well here in the return.


Arizona didn't have much leverage. They are trying to tank and Kuemper on an expiring contract does nothing for them.

Sakic was probably trying to lowball the UFA goalies, failed and then had to make a trade because they were all gone.
Jul. 28, 2021 at 11:49 p.m.
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colorado looses this trade but they have to do it
 
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