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(COL/ARI) - Timmins, 2022 1st round pick, and 2024 conditional 3rd round pick for Kuemper

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Jul 29 at 12:02
#51
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Sup
Jul 29 at 12:10
#52
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Arizona didn't have much leverage. They are trying to tank and Kuemper on an expiring contract does nothing for them.

Sakic was probably trying to lowball the UFA goalies, failed and then had to make a trade because they were all gone.


Arizona had plenty of leverage in that they had two suitors (Edmonton and Colorado) and Colorado was desperate as they're a juggernaut contender who suddenly had no legit starter and essentially no other options (with the caveat that I still don't know what's up with Dallas)
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Jul 29 at 1:29
#53
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Quoting: BCAPP
Arizona had plenty of leverage in that they had two suitors (Edmonton and Colorado) and Colorado was desperate as they're a juggernaut contender who suddenly had no legit starter and essentially no other options (with the caveat that I still don't know what's up with Dallas)


Everyone knows Holland wasn't gonna give up a 1st and would need to dump Koskinen in the trade.

I think if Colorado gives up a 1st it's already a desperate overpay and they beat out all other offers. But then they add Timmins and a conditional 3rd on top that's just Sakic getting robbed.
Jul 29 at 2:00
#54
GM CRIME DAWG
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Colorado turned lemons into lemonade (plain & simple)

However, the team is OFFICIALLY now on the clock - 2022 u'all suk from THE BIG MUG or Bust!

(ballzy-Sak (ic)

The pick/parts going the other way are "tomorrow".

Joe told his club in no un-certain terms we live for today MoFos; it's time!!
Jul 29 at 2:19
#55
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Quoting: BCAPP
How is kuemper an upgrade on grubauer? Grubauer was a Vezina finalist last year and is a great goalie...


Fleury won the Vezina and was given away for nothing. What I meant to say was, Kuemper is an upgrade on a dollar-for-dollar basis. Extending Grubauer would've been a cap nightmare when MacKinnon needs an extension. Kuemper probably would've won the Vezina (at least finished 2nd) 2 years ago had he not been injured in the second half. Grubauer is a fine Goalie, but Sakic knows what he's doing. This is good long term planning. Great teams don't necessarily need a $6M Goalie to win the Cup.
Jul 29 at 8:40
#56
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
Korenar and Hutton is your new goalie tandem in Arizona, everyone! #shameforshane

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Plot twist they don’t land first overall
Jul 29 at 10:09
#57
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Edited Jul 29 at 10:26
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Kuemper | SAV% = 0.908 | GAA = 2.55 | Age = 31 | Cap = $3,500,000 x 1 years | Cost = 1st + 1st | Team = Colorado
P-Mrazek | SAV% = 0.924 | GAA = 2.05 | Age = 29 | Cap = $3,800,000 x 3 years | Cost = No Costs | Team = Toronto
Campbell | SAV% = 0.922 | GAA = 2.15 | Age = 27 | Cap = $1,600,000 x 3 years | Cost = 3rd + 3rd | Team = Toronto


Not feeling this trade boys ... and theoretical girls.




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Jul 29 at 11:32
#58
You know nothing JS
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Making an AGM with this trade would had brought up so much hate.

Timmins was next to untouchable for fans, and then you add a 1st, for a UFA... 🙉
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Jul 29 at 12:09
#59
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Colorado definitely panicked on this one. Still can't believe Grubauer walked.
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Jul 29 at 12:19
#60
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Quoting: McGruff
Colorado turned lemons into lemonade (plain & simple)

However, the team is OFFICIALLY now on the clock - 2022 u'all suk from THE BIG MUG or Bust!

(ballzy-Sak (ic)

The pick/parts going the other way are "tomorrow".

Joe told his club in no un-certain terms we live for today MoFos; it's time!!


What the fu..is this in english?
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Jul 29 at 12:52
#61
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Quoting: NARC311
Sup


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Jul 29 at 12:56
#62
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Quoting: TravisBickle
What the fu..is this in english?


JUST WIN BABY...
Jul 29 at 1:22
#63
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Massive win for the Avalanche. Kuemper is better than Grubauer.
Jul 29 at 3:46
#64
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We'll see how this goes. Grubauer went from being overrated to underrated in the span of like a week. Say what you want about him, but he was a consistent, good starter for the last 5 seasons. Kuemper on the other hand is inconsistent. He seems to range from a fringe starter to an elite goalie without much in-between. So I guess we'll see which Kuemper shows up for the Avs
Jul 29 at 4:11
#65
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Quoting: McGruff
JUST WIN BABY...


oh. ok.
Jul 30 at 3:36
#66
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Decent
Oct 3 at 10:48
#67
Canucks...
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Even with the $1M retained, I still think Colorado's package highlights just how desperate they were to cover up losing Grubauer. At least they have legit goaltending going forward
Oct 4 at 9:33
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Quoting: sensonfire
This is a trade you make for Alex Nedeljkovic, not Darcy Kuemper.

... This is inexcusable for Colorado.

I voted for the Arizona Coyotes smile


So you’re saying that if Kuemper and Nedeljkovic were both available for the same price, you’d take Ned? I get that he’s a future asset while Kuemper is just a rental, but can Ned be a #1 goalie on a Stanley Cup team? Carolina didn’t think so, and Colorado probably didn’t either. If you want to know what this trade is about, all you have to do is look at the condition on the 3rd round draft pick. Usually the throw-in pick in a pending UFA trade is conditional on the player signing an extension, but Colorado doesn’t care where Kuemper goes next summer as long as they win now.

I agree that a pending UFA going into the last year of his contract usually doesn’t fetch a 1st round pick, but if Colorado makes this trade at the deadline, I don’t think it would be considered an overpayment. I’ve always thought it was strange that teams are willing to pay more to rent a player for a few months than they are for a full season. Other than getting himself into a situation where he had to make this trade, I think the biggest mistake Sakic made was not getting Arizona to retain more of Kuemper’s salary.
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