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Still looking for top 6 guy

Created by: jchafe77
Initial Creation Date: Jul 28, 2021
Published: Jul 29 at 12:18
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bertuzzi, Tyler5$5,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Perry, Corey1$750,000
Trades
TOR
    To anywhere they are wanted/needed
    ANA
    1. Mikheyev, Ilya
    2. Engvall, Pierre
    3. Brooks, Adam
    TOR
    1. 2022 3rd round pick (NJD)
    2. 2023 4th round pick (NJD)
    NJD
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    TOR
    1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [RFA Rights]
    DET
    1. Abramov, Mikhail
    2. Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon
    3. Hirvonen, Roni [Reserve List]
    4. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
    TOR
    1. 2022 4th round pick (CBJ)
    CBJ
    1. Dermott, Travis
    TOR
    1. Sissons, Colton
    NSH
    1. Miettinen, Veeti [Reserve List]
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
    TOR
    NJD
    CBJ
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    NJD
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2024
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$80,791,926$0$400,000$708,074
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Bertuzzi, Tyler
    $5,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $796,667
    LW
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Bunting, Michael
    $950,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    NSH
    Sissons, Colton
    $2,857,143
    RW, C
    UFA - 5
    Perry, Corey
    $750,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Simmonds, Wayne
    $900,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Kämpf, David
    $1,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    $5,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Mrázek, Petr
    $3,800,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Liljegren, Timothy
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    TOR
    Gabriel, Kurtis
    $750,000
    RW
    UFA - 1

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    Jul 29 at 12:25
    #1
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quantity does not equal quality. None of those pieces are good enough for Detroit to trade Bertuzzi.
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    Jul 29 at 12:26
    #2
    Formerly Jamiepo
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    “To anywhere they are wanted or needed” how about the Leafs?
    Jul 29 at 12:27
    #3
    Formerly Jamiepo
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Quantity does not equal quality. None of those pieces are good enough for Detroit to trade Bertuzzi.

    Do you follow hockey?
    Jul 29 at 12:29
    #4
    Go Wings Go
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    Detroit passes, Tyler Bertuzzi > > > > > Mikhail Abramov+Semyon Der-Arguchintsev+Roni Hirvonen+Toronto's 2023 1st round pick. A bunch of meh pieces.
    Jul 29 at 12:36
    #5
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    The Red Wing fans on here seem to think wonky back Bertuzzi is Gordie Howe or something. I wouldn't trade that much to get him, let alone overpay on top of it.
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    Jul 29 at 12:37
    #6
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Do you follow hockey?

    Extremely closely. Maybe it's just the fact that you're a Leafs slappy blinded by your own delusions of grandeur in your homerism.
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    Jul 29 at 12:40
    #7
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: Nylander88
    The Red Wing fans on here seem to think wonky back Bertuzzi is Gordie Howe or something. I wouldn't trade that much to get him, let alone overpay on top of it.

    Good deal, you keep your pieces, we'll keep Bertuzzi.

    The thing you Leafs fans can't seem to wrap your heads around, is the fact that we have no reason to move Bertuzzi, so someone would need to overpay to get him. Pay a king's ransom, or don't get him, that simple.
    Jul 29 at 12:40
    #8
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Extremely closely. Maybe it's just the fact that you're a Leafs slappy blinded by your own delusions of grandeur in your homerism.


    You’ve been watching the summer showcase?
    Jul 29 at 12:40
    #9
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Good deal, you keep your pieces, we'll keep Bertuzzi.

    The thing you Leafs fans can't seem to wrap your heads around is that we have no reason to move Bertuzzi, so someone would need to overpay to get him.


    Hirvonen will be better.
    Jul 29 at 12:42
    #10
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    You’ve been watching the summer showcase?

    Sure have, extremely small sample size.
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    Jul 29 at 12:42
    #11
    Go Wings Go
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    Quoting: Nylander88
    The Red Wing fans on here seem to think wonky back Bertuzzi is Gordie Howe or something. I wouldn't trade that much to get him, let alone overpay on top of it.


    Fine we'll just keep Bert, because those scraps are nowhere near enough for Bertuzzi. First off he's not on the market. Secondly Dubas is the one that has interest in him along with about 7 other teams that will offer us far more then Toronto.
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    Jul 29 at 12:42
    #12
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    Quoting: Nylander88
    The Red Wing fans on here seem to think wonky back Bertuzzi is Gordie Howe or something. I wouldn't trade that much to get him, let alone overpay on top of it.


    The biggest problem with redwing fans is they don’t know other teams prospects. If you switch amirov for Hirvonen they are all over it. Not knowing that amirov might be a bit of a project and Hirvonen is a beast.
    Jul 29 at 12:44
    #13
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Sure have, extremely small sample size.


    Liga? WJC? I mean the guy scored a wild hat trick took 4 minors and killed everything on the ice that moved. What a wicked game.
    Jul 29 at 12:45
    #14
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    The biggest problem with redwing fans is they don’t know other teams prospects. If you switch amirov for Hirvonen they are all over it. Not knowing that amirov might be a bit of a project and Hirvonen is a beast.

    He better put on at least 30 pounds before you call him a beast...
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    Jul 29 at 12:45
    #15
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Hirvonen will be better.


    Sure he will, His Finnish numbers aren't that great.
    Jul 29 at 12:47
    #16
    PlusMinus is stupid
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Liga? WJC? I mean the guy scored a wild hat trick took 4 minors and killed everything on the ice that moved. What a wicked game.

    You could fill 3 professional leagues worth of guys that did it at that level that never amounted to **** in the NHL... it's promising, sure, but until he does it EVERY night in AT least the AHL, he's unproven. Period.
    Jul 29 at 12:48
    #17
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    The biggest problem with redwing fans is they don’t know other teams prospects. If you switch amirov for Hirvonen they are all over it. Not knowing that amirov might be a bit of a project and Hirvonen is a beast.


    I'd hardly call a player that's 5'9 171 lbs a beast. 21 points in like 54 games in the Finnish league is hardly beastly.
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    Jul 29 at 12:50
    #18
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    I'd hardly call a player that's 5'9 171 lbs a beast. 21 points in like 54 games in the Finnish league is hardly beastly.

    Don't let facts get in the way of his homerism!
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    Jul 29 at 12:50
    #19
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Sure he will, His Finnish numbers aren't that great.


    Nice hockey dB scouting. He’s a kid playing limited minutes. Has looked great in liga.
    Jul 29 at 12:53
    #20
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Nice hockey dB scouting. He’s a kid playing limited minutes. Has looked great in liga.


    Who freaking cares, We've Jonatan Berggren and Lucas Raymond coming up who're far superior over Hirvonen. Keep your scraps and we keep Bertuzzi.
    Jul 29 at 12:55
    #21
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    Quoting: DeadWingsv2
    Don't let facts get in the way of his homerism!


    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    I'd hardly call a player that's 5'9 171 lbs a beast. 21 points in like 54 games in the Finnish league is hardly beastly.


    Lol, clearly haven’t seen him play. Btw… Marchand is 5’9”
    180lb.
    Jul 29 at 12:55
    #22
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    Who freaking cares, We've Jonatan Berggren and Lucas Raymond coming up who're far superior over Hirvonen. Keep your scraps and we keep Bertuzzi.


    Meh prospects.
    Jul 29 at 12:56
    #23
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    It's basically a top talent coming back or nothing for Bertuzzi. If it's prospects one of Robertson and Sandin along with another prospect and a first or so is what's needed. If it's a roster player it's going to be Reilly with an extension, or Nylander where we add a bit. I don't think there is interest in Amirov.
    My trade ideas would look something like this
    Robertson, Abramov and a first for Bertuzzi or
    Nylander for Bertuzzi, Stetcher and a second.
    Or something along those lines. Other wise it doesn't make sense to trade him, he's well liked on the team, best friends with Fabbri I hear, a fan favourite, wants to be a red wing, works hard on and off the ice. Just all around great guy to have on the team.
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    Jul 29 at 12:57
    #24
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Lol, clearly haven’t seen him play. Btw… Marchand is 5’9”
    180lb.


    Keep him then, We keep Bertuzzi.
    Jul 29 at 12:58
    #25
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    Quoting: GenXHockey
    Meh prospects.


    LMFAO Meh prospect. Yeah both better then what Toronto has in their organization. Better then Hirvonen by a country mile.
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