MAF and Jarry

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Wow that is just flat out wrong. 1st, majority of pens fans on this site are absolutely clueless. When they got knocked out by MTL 2 years ago, they praised Jarry saying hes the goalie of the future based off like 2 playoff games. Now they talk about him like he is useless.... based off 1 postseason. That sounds awfully familiar to a goalie they had years ago... MAF. He was bad in the playoffs, fans wanted him gone. Then he left, now they want him back. Never listen and form your opinion based off pens fans on this site. 2nd. If MAF only wanted to play for the pens, there is zero chance pittsburgh would add. CHI has zero leverage, so it would make no sense for the pens to add anything

Jul. 29, 2021 at 2:54 p.m.

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I whole heartedly agree with you, the Pens do have something Chi needs. 1rd pick next year. Chi has something the Pens need, 7mil in Capspace. So Hawks could retain upto 3.5m in exchange for 2022 1rd pick, if they need more retention going to have to engage Det or someone for a pick to retain another half. I would rather keep MAF if he will play though, huge in the crease and be a mentor for the others is the most invaluable thing.

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Jul. 29, 2021 at 2:54 p.m.

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Wow that is just flat out wrong. 1st, majority of pens fans on this site are absolutely clueless. When they got knocked out by MTL 2 years ago, they praised Jarry saying hes the goalie of the future based off like 2 playoff games. Now they talk about him like he is useless.... based off 1 postseason. That sounds awfully familiar to a goalie they had years ago... MAF. He was bad in the playoffs, fans wanted him gone. Then he left, now they want him back. Never listen and form your opinion based off pens fans on this site. 2nd. If MAF only wanted to play for the pens, there is zero chance pittsburgh would add. CHI has zero leverage, so it would make no sense for the pens to add anything

I actually agree with the above in BOLD. (and the rest for the record) The best move for the Hawks would be get the $7M in cap space back. BUT Jarry for $7M is VERY BAD. There's no MAF 50% retained for Jarry.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.

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I personally disagree. I think jarry at 3.5 for 2 years is a pretty good contract

Jul. 29, 2021 at 2:59 p.m.

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Now there you are wrong, Hawks have all the leverage, they have the player. If he retires, they get 7 mil in cap space, if he plays even better. If he wants traded, Hawks set the price, to the team that he wants to go to, if they say no, up to MAF if he plays or retires.

So options,
1. MAF retires, Hawks get 7mil cap space.
2. MAF plays for Hawks
3. TRADE to Pens, they pay what Hawks want

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Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:00 p.m.

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Or maybe MAF would like to go to EDM???

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Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.

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I personally disagree. I think jarry at 3.5 for 2 years is a pretty good contract

But it wouldn't be. Just factually speaking it's not $3.5M this year. It's $7M this year and $3.5M next year. IF the hawks retain. That's what other PIT fans on here aren't getting.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:01 p.m.

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Nope. Wrong.
3. TRADE to pens, pens pay what they want. What leverage do the Hawks have? Absolutely nothing

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.

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Nope. Wrong.
3. TRADE to pens, pens pay what they want. What leverage do the Hawks have? Absolutely nothing

3 wouldn't happen is what he's saying. PIT yields on #3...or revert back to #1.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:04 p.m.

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Nope. Wrong.
3. TRADE to pens, pens pay what they want. What leverage do the Hawks have? Absolutely nothing

They have MAF... that's 100% leverage right there. They paid literally nothing for him.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:04 p.m.

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But it wouldn't be. Just factually speaking it's not $3.5M this year. It's $7M this year and $3.5M next year. IF the hawks retain. That's what other PIT fans on here aren't getting.

Like I said, majority of them are beyond stupid. They want solid players, without giving up anything. So I understand where you are coming from. I think IF there was retention at 50%, I think it would involve Jarry and like a 3rd/4th rounder because I think Hextall is set on Jarry for starting next year. I haven't even heard hes interested in MAF

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They have MAF... that's 100% leverage right there. They paid literally nothing for him.

No. Thats the opposite of the leverage. Why would the pens pay add assets for a player who stated he does not want to play for them? CHI does not have leverage

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:05 p.m.

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As a Hawks fan...that offer just wouldn't be good enough for me. I'd honestly rather have $7M in cap space to go out and makes trades, sign a different goalie, etc... to make my team better.

To be honest...this sounds like most PIT fans on here. You're looking for the Hawks to do you favors. I don't care about Flower. He doens't want to be here...fine. We don't owe him or PIT anything.

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Or maybe MAF would like to go to EDM???

Who knows where he would like to go, maybe there would be a bidding war for him. Hawks only loss in this would be if he retires and they loose his mentorship for the young guys and play this season. They still have 4 other signed Goalies.

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Or maybe MAF would like to go to EDM???

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As a Hawks fan...that offer just wouldn't be good enough for me. I'd honestly rather have $7M in cap space to go out and makes trades, sign a different goalie, etc...

Which is fair to do. But if you got MAF for free, why wouldn't you just collect a 3rd or 4th rounder for him? I dont think CHI is a serious contender next year, so why not add draft picks on a player you got for free?

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IF you take all $7M. Yes. If you want retention. No.

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IF you take all $7M. Yes.

Do you consider CHI a strong cup contender next year?

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Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.

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I'm saying straight up, MAF for a 3-4 rd pick, or 1-2 with retention. Not retaining and adding Jarry, that doesn't make sense to either team I don't think (though wouldn't put it past SB)

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.

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Nope. Wrong.
3. TRADE to pens, pens pay what they want. What leverage do the Hawks have? Absolutely nothing

Chicago paid nothing for Flower, and If the only options for him is the Penguins or retirement. Either the Pens can pay Chicago's price or we let him retire.

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Do you consider CHI a strong cup contender next year?

Could be, they were supposed to be running for the bottom this year, they have only improved over last year (we hope) and with MAF who knows!

Jul. 29, 2021 at 3:18 p.m.

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Do you consider CHI a strong cup contender next year?

I honestly do think they're closer than people give them credit. The Central is a very hard division. The trade value of Jones is too much. I agree. He's still a TRUE #1 Dman though and between him and McCabe they did solve that hole in my mind. If Flower decides CHI isn't a terrible place to play...That's solved in my mind. Toews coming back is a huge deal. The Hawks do need a true top 6 winger, but that's not impossible to get.

COL and WPG are in, but I do think COL took a step back from last year. STL and CHI are next. DAL is the odd man out IMO. MIN will regress. Losing Suter will hurt them more than they think and no one is surprised about Kaprisov anymore. NSH and AZ are rebuilding.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 8:33 p.m.

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Chicago paid nothing for Flower, and If the only options for him is the Penguins or retirement. Either the Pens can pay Chicago's price or we let him retire.

Then he retires. Simple as that. Pens aren't even interested in him at this moment, and no team will give up good assets for a player who doesnt want to play for that team.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 10:03 p.m.

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Then he retires. Simple as that. Pens aren't even interested in him at this moment, and no team will give up good assets for a player who doesnt want to play for that team.

I thought that...and one example doesn't make you wrong, but Seth Jones didn't want to play for CBJ and they got a haul.

Jul. 29, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.

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