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if Pionk and Copp want too much

Created by: Wpgman
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 29, 2021
Published: Jul. 29, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets
Team Explanation
I don't think WPG should be paying Pionk anything north of 6.25 mil and Copp 3.75 mil. If this is the case- trade them.
Can we at least convince one decent UFA to come to WPG?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Stanley, Logan2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bozak, Tyler2$1,500,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Severson, Damon
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Pionk, Neal [RFA Rights]
  2. Copp, Andrew [RFA Rights]
2.
WPG
  1. Glass, Cody
NSH
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
WPG
NJD
CBJ
WPG
WPG
WPG
2023
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2024
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$77,378,811$145,122$3,507,500$4,121,189
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 5
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
$8,250,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
WPG
Perfetti, Cole
$894,167
C
RFA - 3
WPG
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$5,000,000
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
WPG
Stastny, Paul
$3,750,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
WPG
Lowry, Adam
$3,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
Bozak, Tyler
$1,500,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Harkins, Jansen
$725,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
WPG
Gustafsson, David
$817,500
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Vesalainen, Kristian
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
$6,250,000
LD
UFA - 7
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 3
WPG
Dillon, Brenden
$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 3
WPG
Schmidt, Nate
$5,950,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 4
WPG
Berdin, Mikhail
$750,000
G
RFA - 2
WPG
Heinola, Ville
$863,333
LD
RFA - 3
WPG
Stanley, Logan
$1,250,000
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
WPG
Beaulieu, Nathan
$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,667
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
NSH
Glass, Cody
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
$725,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
WPG
Niku, Sami
$750,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1

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Jul. 29 at 10:05 p.m.
#1
MERCER SZN
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Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?
Jul. 29 at 10:11 p.m.
#2
Little Week Forever
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Quoting: Devil1122
Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?

Yes

(Also happy birthday to him)
Jul. 29 at 10:12 p.m.
#3
Bandwagon fairweathe
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Pionk is still our best dman, if he was bigger i would take 6 please.
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Jul. 29 at 10:13 p.m.
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Wpgman
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Quoting: Devil1122
Is Pionk more of an offensive defensemen?


He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.
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Jul. 29 at 10:17 p.m.
#5
MERCER SZN
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Quoting: Wpgman
He is more offensive than Severson and plays in all situations.


We don't need another offensive dman tho
Jul. 29 at 10:22 p.m.
#6
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Deal
Jul. 29 at 10:22 p.m.
#7
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Quoting: Devil1122
We don't need another offensive dman tho


This deal is too good to pass up. Pionk very similar to Severson
Jul. 29 at 10:22 p.m.
#8
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What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, WHAT ARE YOU ON AND WHERE CAN I GET ME SOME?? Why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.
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Jul. 29 at 10:26 p.m.
#9
wpg
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Quoting: arafay
What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, then why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.


It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it
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Jul. 29 at 10:29 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyFan989
It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it


Yep. There’s no way the jets replace pionk if they move him. Those types of players don’t come by here easily.
Jul. 29 at 10:34 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 29 at 10:57 p.m.. Reason: added chart
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If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.
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Jul. 29 at 11:25 p.m.
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Wpgman
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Quoting: arafay
What?? No way the jets do that devils trade. Pionk is easily about the same value as severson, without the contract. With the contract situation, pionk is worth more. Pionk has 2 more years of team control and can easily be signed long term. Severson is a UFA in 2 years.

As for people saying Pionk is less valuable because he’s an offensive defensemen, WHAT ARE YOU ON AND WHERE CAN I GET ME SOME?? Why did dougie Hamilton just become like a 6th or 7th highest paid defensemen in the nhl? Both dougie and pionk can defend very well and bring a ton of offense. I’m not comparing the two because Pionk is not hamilton but just drawing a picture. Come on, give the man some respect. He was our best defensemen last year and proved he might be a top pairing guy if he can replicate last season.


Quoting: HockeyFan989
It’s like to covid situation… u take it for granted and don’t appreciate it till u lose it


Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
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If they are both higher than the numbers you mentioned in the description, sign Pionk and trade Copp.


Pionk is a Top 4 defenseman and from what I seen a great team player. If I was Pionk I would ask for a big payday. Werenski got his payday almost 10 mil. Pionk is not Werenski but he is damn good. If Werenski is 10 mil is Pionk worth 7.5 mil- maybe
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Jul. 29 at 11:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Wpgman
Pionk is a Top 4 defenseman and from what I seen a great team player. If I was Pionk I would ask for a big payday. Werenski got his payday almost 10 mil. Pionk is not Werenski but he is damn good. If Werenski is 10 mil is Pionk worth 7.5 mil- maybe


The price for good and bad defensemen is going up. What a time to be alive when Poolman gets $2.5 million and Forbort gets $3 million. lol
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Jul. 29 at 11:39 p.m.
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Pionk contract projections (evolving hockey)

Term AAV (m) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%
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Jul. 29 at 11:44 p.m.
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Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.
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Jul. 30 at 7:15 a.m.
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Nashville isn't trading their best C prospect for an aging RHD they have no use for.
Jul. 30 at 7:50 a.m.
#17
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Wpgman
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Quoting: Windjammer
Far too much from Winnipeg in the Jersey trade. Pionk on his own is more valuable than Severson.


At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.
Jul. 30 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Wpgman
At this point I will give the edge to Pionk but if he is asking for big money then WPG has to explore their options.


I guess it depends on what you consider big money.
Jul. 30 at 9:31 a.m.
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Don’t trade either we can make it work
 
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