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Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 30, 2021
Published: Jul. 30, 2021
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  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
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2022
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23$81,500,000$80,401,783$0$400,000$1,098,217
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C, LW
NMC
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LW
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,645,000$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 1

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Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:00 p.m.
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WEB973
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no
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:01 p.m.
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Toronto would never propose this
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:01 p.m.
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Buffalo, can we please stop these marner for eichel trades?
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Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:05 p.m.
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both ?
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.
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Quoting: WEB973
no


Why?
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:14 p.m.
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Toronto would never propose this


Why not? Huge upgrade.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:14 p.m.
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Buffalo, can we please stop these marner for eichel trades?


Why does Buffalo say no? Besides division issues.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:14 p.m.
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both ?


Explain.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Oiler3535
Why not? Huge upgrade.


No it’s not because if Mariner is Toronto’s only GOOD RW and Buffalo is looking to get a C back
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:19 p.m.
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They both say no. Leafs say no because Eichel is broken, Buffalo says no because if healthy Eichel has more value.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:22 p.m.
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No it’s not because if Mariner is Toronto’s only GOOD RW and Buffalo is looking to get a C back


Marner is not 4 million better than nylander. Plus, nylander performs in playoffs, Marner chokes badly.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:23 p.m.
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They both say no. Leafs say no because Eichel is broken, Buffalo says no because if healthy Eichel has more value.


Injury is definitely the issue. I still think if a good doctor rec, Toronto jumps at it. Buffalo has no choice. Have to move him. Nobody offers a better return than marner.
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Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:30 p.m.
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Injury is definitely the issue. I still think if a good doctor rec, Toronto jumps at it. Buffalo has no choice. Have to move him. Nobody offers a better return than marner.


But Buffalo hasn’t released his medical records. And Toronto won’t offer that
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Oiler3535
Injury is definitely the issue. I still think if a good doctor rec, Toronto jumps at it. Buffalo has no choice. Have to move him. Nobody offers a better return than marner.

The other issue for BUF might be their timeline. Do you think Marner fits in? I don't know if he does.
Jul. 30, 2021 at 11:39 p.m.
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These two are the same age. There’s no reason for Buffalo to make this trade. Fact, elite centres are harder to find that elite wingers.

Marner is a great player. But there is zero benefit for Buffalo to make this trade unless they had a younger elite centre ready to step forward.

Leafs say no regardless.
Jul. 31, 2021 at 12:30 a.m.
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Why?


Too much for Eichel, Marner and and first. Eichel is injured and who knows what he will be like when he comes back. Also you have to have wingers to play with centres, it would be too much locked up in 3 centers
Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:45 a.m.
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But Buffalo hasn’t released his medical records. And Toronto won’t offer that


Buffalo won't release records until a serious offer. This is a serious offer.
Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.
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The other issue for BUF might be their timeline. Do you think Marner fits in? I don't know if he does.


That's a fair point. They may not want a player in their peak right now. I'm sure could get a 3rd team involved to get 1st Rd picks and top prospects.
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Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.
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These two are the same age. There’s no reason for Buffalo to make this trade. Fact, elite centres are harder to find that elite wingers.

Marner is a great player. But there is zero benefit for Buffalo to make this trade unless they had a younger elite centre ready to step forward.

Leafs say no regardless.


Timing for Buffalo a fair point. See my comment just above.

Why would the Leafs say no? Better player, cheaper.
Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:49 a.m.
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Too much for Eichel, Marner and and first. Eichel is injured and who knows what he will be like when he comes back. Also you have to have wingers to play with centres, it would be too much locked up in 3 centers


Would definitely be assuming happy with his medical prognosis to make the deal. But centres are worth more than wingers. Always.

Tavares moves to wing. Which he likely has to do at some point anyway.
Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:50 a.m.
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Neither team would
Jul. 31, 2021 at 9:55 a.m.
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Neither team would


Why?
Jul. 31, 2021 at 10:01 a.m.
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Why?


Oh I meant neither team would do that trade
Jul. 31, 2021 at 10:07 a.m.
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Oh I meant neither team would do that trade


Why? Think Buffalo gets a better return? Think Toronto doesn't want Eichel?
Jul. 31, 2021 at 10:29 a.m.
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Why? Think Buffalo gets a better return? Think Toronto doesn't want Eichel?


The cap isn’t gonna work in this situation
 
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