All you Kings fans freaked out at the Byfield ask, and you said it had to be Turcotte instead. Now you're not even offering that. Please and politely GTFO lol.

I'll save you time, put in Byfield and more than half those guys aren't needed.

Laughable
It’s just not even close

I mean half of those guys are cap dumps anyways

Drop the 2nd, Kempe, Thomas, and Spence, add Turcotte and Fa.gemo

Buffalo guys are so amazing. They're going to be SO disappointed IF he gets traded before the deadline. Will any of them admit to being wrong?

"Half those guys are cap dumps"?!?!? Which ones? Vilardi? Kempe, who is undervalued, underpaid and better than any winger you currently have on your team? Thomas or Spence, who have never played a game in the NHL and therefore cannot by definition be "cap dumps"? Quick, who had a better season last year than either of the two pylons YOU are going to be putting in net this season, and a better career overall than either?

You know, it's egregiously uninformed comments like this nonsense that gives you Buffalo guys the reputation you so richly deserve.

Relax.
Quick was statistically the worst goalie in the NHL over the last 2 seasons, even worst than Carter Hutton… shocking I know.

Matta also junk.

Spence and Thomas C level prospects.
Kempe is solid though

You have some sort of real obsession with trash talking Buffalo don't you?


Vilardi, Gabriel - Solid prospect but has a serious back injury problem
Kempe, Adrian - solid winger piece
Thomas, Akil - B- tier prospect
Spence, Jordan - Unsure who he even is to be honest.
Quick, Jonathan - Cap Dump for 2 years
Määttä, Olli - Cap Dump for 1 year

The thing is not one piece jumps out and says, potential Top Tier Talent. they are all at best mid to bottom 6 prospects/players.
Eichel, is literally a 1C and should at minimum fetch someone with the potential to match that role.

Just imagine LA's response if Buffalo offered Johnson, Thompson, Okposo, and Asplund along with a 1st rounder between 10 and 20 overall for Kopitar at age 27 or 28 lets say. I doubt many if any would even entertain the offer without Cozens being involved.

Yes, I really DO have a problem with trash-talking Buffalo fans.

Your GM is tanking his value especially with the surgery nonsense going on. The longer Buffalo waits the worse the trade is going to get. I honestly hope buffalo gets fleeced when the actual eichel trade happens, you guys are insufferable with how you think he’s worth half a roster of quality players.

Vilardi 1st Rounder
Kempe 1st Rounder
Thomas 2nd Rounder B+
Spence 4th Rounder B-
1st round pick in the teens most likely loaded draft
2nd round pick 2023
Quick perfect cap dump goalie for Buf
Matta 1 year cap dump

The ideal hockey trade, I’d throw in kupari 1st rounder or ****emo 2nd rounder but not turcotte.

The strawest of straw men. Here's my last (i.e., most recent) offer for Eichel:

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2497293

Your apology accepted in advance.

Of course some fans are absurd with their evaluations. Ask any team’s fan base about a player’s value and it will vary wildly. Am I supposed to apologize for a different person?



I’m very unsure as to why you made this insane sounding rant of a post, followed by data, and ended with more ranting. It’s quite the whiplash.

Most Sabres fans, emphasis on most, aren’t asking for half your roster. We are asking for an A+ prospect to be included in any offer. We don’t want a hodgepodge of middling players or some random guy no one has heard of. You have to give to get; you can’t give an assortment of secondary pieces to get a primary piece.

Additionally Eichel’s value doesn’t change whatsoever based on time. It can change depending on if he has his surgery but time is literally meaningless. We have him under contract for 5 more years; there’s no immediate deadline weighing over us. Even the NMC isn’t much of a threat since he’s under contract for 4 years after that and if he truly wants out; he can be effectively forced to open up his list. There is zero chance he can do what Taylor Hall did because there is no chance to lose him for nothing until year 5 comes around. So his NMC becomes merely an annoyance that would be likely waived just to get out of Buffalo. Our GM has made it quite clear he has no interest in lowering his ask or letting Eichel go for pennies on the dollar.

Last but not least, when he’s healthy again, Eichel is without a doubt a #1 center and Top 15 in the league. His injury may give a coupon but this isn’t a freaking flea market

Well, let's just have a look, shall we? These all pre-date the amateur draft, but they are indicative, and similar trades have continued to occur since them (I grew tired of recording them).

Over-the-top Eichel trades (all by Buffalo adherents):

Tuch, Stephenson, Krebs, Hague, 2021 first, 2022 second if Las Vegas makes the Stanley Cup Finals and Eichel plays in at least 41 regular-season games

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2541333

Tuch, Stephenson, Krebs, Smith, 2021 first, 2022 first

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/469424

Boldy, Dumba, Fiala, Greenway, Minnesota’s 2021 first (their better pick)

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2537698

Comtois, Drysdale, Henrique, Zegras and the third overall selection in this year’s draft

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2537698

Comtois, Drysdale, Lundestrom and the third overall selection in this year’s draft

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2520213

Gibson, Comtois, Terry, Perreault and the third overall selection in this year’s draft

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2496275

Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, 2021 first (8th overall), 2021 third (71st overall)

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/459694

Alright lets go through these:

1. Tuch, Stephenson, Krebs, Hague, 2021 first, 2022 second if Las Vegas makes the Stanley Cup Finals and Eichel plays in at least 41 regular-season games

A tad overkill but overall not terrible. From the start with Vegas most fans see Buffalo taking back salary in the trade and since retention is out of the question we'll likely look to grab a guy like Smith, Stephenson, even McNabb or at the time Reaves or Fleury. Tuch and Krebs commonly are primary pieces as it would give us a Syracuse native Power Fwd and a 1C potential prospect. Their 2021 1st was late so its more or less a glorified 2nd and the 2nd in 2022 is a throw-in if they make it to the Cup Finals which seldom teams would see that as a sticking point. Hague and Stephenson are the two pieces that create some problems. At the time of this AGM, both pieces were commonly thrown in as either cap or the 4th 1st round value.

2. Tuch, Stephenson, Krebs, Smith, 2021 first, 2022 first

This is literally just the prior one with no Hague, yes Smith and a 2022 1st. A bit more egregious.

3. Boldy, Dumba, Fiala, Greenway, Minnesota’s 2021 first (their better pick)

My best guess is that this person was going along with the idea of Dumba being a cap casualty however even so this is quite a bit over the target value and its targeted pieces. Boldy and 3 NHLers plus a 1st is legitimately asking MIN to cut off their arm.

4. Comtois, Drysdale, Henrique, Zegras and the third overall selection in this year’s draft
5. Comtois, Drysdale, Lundestrom and the third overall selection in this year’s draft

The 1st is rather bonkers and strikes me as an NHL 21 trade.
The 2nd is far less absurd but likely would be more akin to swapping Comtois with Henrique at very least. Zegras has always been my primary target as he fills all the needs of potentially replacing Eichel in the future.

6. Gibson, Comtois, Terry, Perreault and the third overall selection in this year’s draft

This one isn't actually bad depending on your view of Gibson. Its overpayment if you see him as a great young goalie stuck behind a bad team and suffering due to that. It's actually not awful if you see him as an overhyped young goalie with serious flaws and a rough contract.

7. Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, 2021 first (8th overall), 2021 third (71st overall)

Besides actually being from an Oilers fan, this falls into the trap of staring down the 4 1st round pick idea without any interest being made through experience or training. Byfield is worth about 1.5 1sts at least with Turcotte being around 1.25 1sts. Additionally this does the major no-no of only choosing players from 1 position thus destroying the other team's depth. If you ask for Byfield and want more; you are far better off hunting for a D prospect or even a winger since it could be far more realistically achieved. Effectively gouging an eye out to buy state of the art glasses makes zero sense.