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If Kanes contract is voided

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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 1, 2021
Published: Aug. 1, 2021
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  1. Bordeleau, Thomas [Reserve List]
  2. Eklund, William [Reserve List]
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Buffalo LOVED Eklund coming into this draft, but 1 was probably too high for him. Bordeleau is a strong prospect as well that probably should've gone higher than he did
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BUF
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  2. Komarov, Leo
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:03 p.m.
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Never heard of Bryson. Is he any good?
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:08 p.m.
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I can see Habs accepting this but we are going to keep Byron for the Ltir bonus.
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:12 p.m.
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SJ is not going to murder their prospect pool for Eichel.
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:16 p.m.
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I’m turning down any Eichel trade that includes Eklund or Bordeleau or any 1st rounders.
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:18 p.m.
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Quoting: FunMustBeAlways
I’m turning down any Eichel trade that includes Eklund or Bordeleau or any 1st rounders.


Then that would mean no Eichel and maybe that's for the best for San Jose
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:18 p.m.
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Why is every trade you want to make absolutely terrible for Buffalo except maybe ironically the Eichel trade? Giveaway Thompson for a fourth round pick? Giveaway Bryson for a couple cap dumps and late second round picks? Sheesh.
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:19 p.m.
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Then that would mean no Eichel and maybe that's for the best for San Jose


Yeah that’s kinda what I’m getting at. I get that Eichel is amazing and you can’t overrate prospects too much, but for SJ who’s already thin on prospect talent, it’s just not worth it I don’t think.
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:22 p.m.
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If Kane's contract is voided, San Jose that sit's chills and continues to rebuild. Eichel is not the right piece for them right now
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:33 p.m.
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No Eklund
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Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:33 p.m.
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Never heard of Bryson. Is he any good?


I think hes well thought of here. Hes not a kid, but he looks like one of the few guys that actually developed over time here. Small and quick, what i noticed was confident with sure hands. Our other d often look like they are suffering from ptsd on the ice, he seems pretty cool under pressure. Hes gonna probably get caught up in a numbers game here- thats gotta happen when you have two recent first overall picks that play your position. The bad- he battles, but bigger players are gonna push him around, and i only noticed it once, but jack hughes blew past him like he was standing still (which, its jack hughes, and i dont think bryson had seen many guys blow past him). Probably 3rd pair, play up in a pinch with pp2 time. I dont think you would pay a ton for him, but if hes cheap and you have a spot, i think you might be surprised.
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
Why is every trade you want to make absolutely terrible for Buffalo except maybe ironically the Eichel trade? Giveaway Thompson for a fourth round pick? Giveaway Bryson for a couple cap dumps and late second round picks? Sheesh.


Thompson is terrible dude. I genuinely don't think he will ever be much in the NHL and the advanced stats back me up here. As for Bryson, he probably doesn't have a spot on this team with Power next year and the coming emergence of Samuelsson and Johnson
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:34 p.m.
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Quoting: papishark
No Eklund


No Eichel then lol. Like I said maybe that's for the better for SJ
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:37 p.m.
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No Eichel then lol. Like I said maybe that's for the better for SJ


okay deal, no more Eichel to SJ trades ever again.
Aug. 1, 2021 at 11:45 p.m.
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okay deal, no more Eichel to SJ trades ever again.


Please
Aug. 2, 2021 at 12:18 a.m.
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No Eichel then lol. Like I said maybe that's for the better for SJ


Maybe so, but better for buffalo to have another bidder. Your not getting a top 10 prospect, but that doesnt mean you cant get value still
Aug. 2, 2021 at 12:48 a.m.
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I can see Habs accepting this but we are going to keep Byron for the Ltir bonus.


I can't. If anything we include him ala Tatar while making another deal. Without such a trade, there's no need to move him.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 12:56 a.m.
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Quoting: Klara
okay deal, no more Eichel to SJ trades ever again.


Please make it so.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 1:20 a.m.
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Edited Aug. 2, 2021 at 1:27 a.m.
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Then that would mean no Eichel and maybe that's for the best for San Jose


It absolutely would be best for San Jose if we didn't trade for Eichel.

We're looking at a flat salary cap or one that may, in a best case scenario, rise by four million over the next five years. Between EK65, Burns, Vlasic, Couture, and Meier we've got $40.5 million dollars tied up - so, half the cap. Further, I assume that if we trade for Eichel we're going to pushing for the playoffs and would want to extend Hertl. I'm going to guess that his contract will be in the $6 million to $7 million dollar range - so add that to the total. If you add Eichel's $10 million into the mix you're looking at between $56.5 million and $57.5 million dollars tied up in seven players. That leaves you less than $30 million to sign the rest of the team, including other players who will need new contracts (our two promising young defensemen next season, Meier will need a QO of $10 million in two years, and we’re going to have to address the goalie situation at some point too.)

I don’t think there’s any other team in the league in worse cap hell other than the Lightning, and their best players are signed to better contracts than ours are. Hedman is making less than EK65 or Burns and less than a million more than Vlasic - and he's much, much better than any of them. Their forwards vs our forwards are a similar story. And we’re unlikely to be able to move any of those terrible contracts because Doug Wilson likes handing out M-NTCs with 3 team trade lists and NMCs like they’re candy - he’s bad at negotiating contracts. So very, very, very bad.

We might be able to field a good top line - and that's a big maybe, we wouldn't have Kane - and part of a decent second line, but I don't think we could afford to sign any high level talent to fill that in and we wouldn't have any good assets to trade away for good, affordable players for depth. Well, that's not exactly true. We'd still have picks - which would just keep us in the exact same ****ed up situation we’re currently in for the foreseeable future.

I think that there's a lot of hockey fans who haven't fully grasped how bad our situation is or what our future is going to look like thanks to the players we’ve got who are rapidly aging and currently declining or bound to decline before the end of their massive contracts. Doug was able to keep our window open for a good long while, but that era is over. The only way we keep this as a reset or a rebuild that lasts less than a decade is if we manage to draft, develop, and ice high level players who will be signed to affordable contracts to balance out our overpaid dinosaurs. Now assuming we've traded away our two best forward prospects, the only two we have who are very likely to play in the NHL, how do you think that's going to shake out for us?

So no, I don't want Eichel. I don't want to be a wildcard team that gets bounced in the first round. I want to us to be picking high in the 2022 draft and preferably the 2023 draft too. That's our best path out of this mess. Getting Eichel completely ****s that up.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 2:07 a.m.
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It absolutely would be best for San Jose if we didn't trade for Eichel.

We're looking at a flat salary cap or one that may, in a best case scenario, rise by four million over the next five years. Between EK65, Burns, Vlasic, Couture, and Meier we've got $40.5 million dollars tied up - so, half the cap. Further, I assume that if we trade for Eichel we're going to pushing for the playoffs and would want to extend Hertl. I'm going to guess that his contract will be in the $6 million to $7 million dollar range - so add that to the total. If you add Eichel's $10 million into the mix you're looking at between $56.5 million and $57.5 million dollars tied up in seven players. That leaves you less than $30 million to sign the rest of the team, including other players who will need new contracts (our two promising young defensemen next season, Meier will need a QO of $10 million in two years, and we’re going to have to address the goalie situation at some point too.)

I don’t think there’s any other team in the league in worse cap hell other than the Lightning, and their best players are signed to better contracts than ours are. Hedman is making less than EK65 or Burns and less than a million more than Vlasic - and he's much, much better than any of them. Their forwards vs our forwards are a similar story. And we’re unlikely to be able to move any of those terrible contracts because Doug Wilson likes handing out M-NTCs with 3 team trade lists and NMCs like they’re candy - he’s bad at negotiating contracts. So very, very, very bad.

We might be able to field a good top line - and that's a big maybe, we wouldn't have Kane - and part of a decent second line, but I don't think we could afford to sign any high level talent to fill that in and we wouldn't have any good assets to trade away for good, affordable players for depth. Well, that's not exactly true. We'd still have picks - which would just keep us in the exact same ****ed up situation we’re currently in for the foreseeable future.

I think that there's a lot of hockey fans who haven't fully grasped how bad our situation is or what our future is going to look like thanks to the players we’ve got who are rapidly aging and currently declining or bound to decline before the end of their massive contracts. Doug was able to keep our window open for a good long while, but that era is over. The only way we keep this as a reset or a rebuild that lasts less than a decade is if we manage to draft, develop, and ice high level players who will be signed to affordable contracts to balance out our overpaid dinosaurs. Now assuming we've traded away our two best forward prospects, the only two we have who are very likely to play in the NHL, how do you think that's going to shake out for us?

So no, I don't want Eichel. I don't want to be a wildcard team that gets bounced in the first round. I want to us to be picking high in the 2022 draft and preferably the 2023 draft too. That's our best path out of this mess. Getting Eichel completely ****s that up.


Oh believe me I know the tough tough situation the sharks are in, they are my 2nd favorite team. An Eichel trade may NOT make sense for them, but Doug has never been afraid of the big move and perhaps he thinks he could still scrape together a competitive team with Jack on board. Either way I just want SJ to be competitive soon again frown
 
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