Kane wont be allowed to play again, and Drouin has negative value. Two very different things

Kane lol.

Kerfoot is worth more. People on here undervalue a key thing teams/owners like and that don't get talked about. His contract is almost fully paid. Add in that he is a quality player that is versatile

Detroit isn't taking on Byron, even as a cap dump. He's small, injury prone, on the wrong side of 30 and paid WAY too much for what he is.

if the allegations are true kane shouldn't be allowed to play again. its very difficult to prove he did tho so i think he'll still play.

that's why he got a pick and a prospect

It don't help the leafs unless they would go for a top 6 winger with said money which kerfoot would be a piece of that trade. And looking at the prospect at first glance it's nothing to really push the value too much. I give you the ana 3rd since it be very early.

And the title being bargain bin players. Kerfoot wouldn't fit that is what I'm saying

Byron is a pure cap dump to Detroit that would have to be buried in the minors for two years.

I wouldn't take him for less than two 2nds and since Yzerman has gone public with not being interested in cap dumps unless the player is actually useful to us I think he would demand even more.

he's good enough to play in detroit's lineup. a 2nd is a good deal. doubt yzerman would say no if he was ever offered it.

still good enough to play in detroits lineup.

Not true at all. Detroit has made a lot of improvements and the are multiple young guys I'd rather be playing than Byron.

if you'd rather play young guys so be it but byron is still better than them at the moment. he's still decent on the pk too.

I'm not saying he's useless, just not a fit for Detroit, even as a cap dump. If we needed to fill that out on the roster, we would have just resigned Helm... We're good with the youth we have.

helm doesn't come with a 2nd otherwise yzerman would have.

1 2nd isn't worth 6.8m in cap over 2 years... Helm could have been re-signed for 1m... apples to oranges.

I'm not suggesting that Montreal SHOULD send 2 2nd round picks just to move Byron, but that'd be the cost to Detroit... I honestly think Montreal could just retain half of his salary and move him FOR an asset from a team that needs depth... it just isn't Detroit.

seems about the market price for a cap dump. so i'd disagree that it's not worth that. two 2nds is a overpayment, one 2nd would probably get it done.

No offense but I don't like any of those lol.

Kerfoot doesn't necessarily make us better. We have enough forwards and any center we acquire has to be definitively better than other options which could be cheaper (in terms of cap hit) or that we already have.

Without adding salary, no need to move Byron. Especially as a cap dump and at the cost of a 2nd. If we make a trade he can be a throw-in, and if we don't make the playoffs he can be moved similarly to others with retention, as he is a useful piece to a contender.

Miller is an okay rental option, but if we're adding him it's to go to the playoffs, where we will also want Lehkonen. Makes more sense to use draft capital.

Not touching Kane with a 500,000 ft pole. Though I can't say the same for Bergevin, because apparently character doesn't matter anymore as long as you can play hockey.

Somewhere else, sure. You're missing my point. He's not a fit in Detroit, at all, so it'd cost more to send him there... just find another destination. Honestly, he'd be a great add to Seattle, dump him there with a 2nd, or Ottawa.

he's as good or better fit there than anywhere else in the league. the wings have one of the shallowest forward groups in the league and are a bottom feeder for the next two years anyway. yzerman would jump at that trade if it was actually offered. i think you're underestimating yzerman.

Not even close... a rebuilding team is NOT a fit for a depth guy, a contending team is if we're talking pure need. Your evaluation of need and fit is completely backwards. Cap dump wise, Seattle or Ottawa would make WAY more sense because they don't have as many picks in upcoming years as Detroit does, so there's more value in adding an additional pick. Detroit is already pretty loaded in terms of pipeline and picks, so either we add impact players NOW, or keep developing and part of developing, is giving our young guys the ice time, not adding a bottom 3 guy that just clogs things up.

I think you're underestimating Yzerman and his plan... especially considering that Byron won't even be back for 5 months and even then, hip injuries are no joke and he'd just be more dead money. He is just not a fit in Detroit. Period.

you have it all backwards. his cap hit is too high and not productive enough for a contender. he's prefect for a bottom feeder like detroit. he can play and teach the young players the pk and he's productive enough to play in the bottom six.

seattle makes no sence they are a playoff contender and they'll have better options and are more protective of their cap space. ottawa is a possibility but i don't agree with your reasoning. ottawas system is packed unlike detroit which makes the wings the better fit. ottawa is stacked with picks, detroit only has 2 extra draft picks and only one of them is in the first two rounds. they barely have more than their own. they need more if they want to get out of the rebuild that has been dragging on.

i don't think you understand yzerman. byron to him is a roleplayer and free draft pick. he'd be an idiot to pass if he had the option. unless detroit is broke and can't afford the actual cash, which i guess is a possibility. assuming detroit has cash the trade is a lock. no brainer really.

I don't think you understand Yzerman. He took on Staal, who played big minutes for the free pick. Byron wouldn't even play for at least half of next season recovering from the hip surgery and then would be FAR too much money for that role. This is still a business and just throwing away money isn't viable if it doesn't move the needle forward.

Once we lock up the rest of our RFAs, our roster is set. Byron is useless to us. If Yzerman wants to buy picks via cap dump, there are FAR better options out there (Komarov or Hickey from NYI, becoming a 3rd party to move Malkin if PIT goes that route, etc).

cap dumps are a normal part of this business. if detroit cant afford it that's another story but the value is great for them in the trade. so i guess the only question is has yzerman hit the internal cap yet.