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Trade Copp

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Team: 2021-22 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 2, 2021
Published: Aug. 2, 2021
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  2. Riikola, Juuso
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 7:39 p.m.
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Please don’t trade Copp for a bag of pucks we can afford him
Aug. 2, 2021 at 7:44 p.m.
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Still so tight for cap space, would probably demote Riikola to the AHL and keep Niku as a cheaper #7 dman if this happened.

Gotta wonder if Chevy didn't like what he was getting from Pionk's camp so he acquired Schmidt and Dillon.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Still so tight for cap space, would probably demote Riikola to the AHL and keep Niku as a cheaper #7 dman if this happened.

Gotta wonder if Chevy didn't like what he was getting from Pionk's camp so he acquired Schmidt and Dillon.


That would be quite the plot twist.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 7:57 p.m.
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Please don’t trade Copp for a bag of pucks we can afford him


Blueger is elite defensively and a top 5 penalty killer and much cheaper. Riikola is a solid depth guy and you also get rid of Beaulieu and get a pick.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:10 p.m.
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Please don’t trade Copp for a bag of pucks we can afford him


Doesn't look like the Jets can afford Copp. Ates (The Athletic) put together a likely 22 man roster -- accounting for Little's LTIR -- and came up with just $10.7 million to spend on Pionk, Stanley, and Copp (I guess Kovacevic doesn't matter because he will be sub- $1million and in the minors). He has Stanley at $1 million, Pionk at $6 million (just below Morrissey money) which would leave $3.7 million for Copp, which isn't enough for a long-term deal.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
Doesn't look like the Jets can afford Copp. Ates (The Athletic) put together a likely 22 man roster -- accounting for Little's LTIR -- and came up with just $10.7 million to spend on Pionk, Stanley, and Copp (I guess Kovacevic doesn't matter because he will be sub- $1million and in the minors). He has Stanley at $1 million, Pionk at $6 million (just below Morrissey money) which would leave $3.7 million for Copp, which isn't enough for a long-term deal.


That is just enough to sign them
Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:13 p.m.
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That is just enough to sign them


Nope. On a long term deal, Copp will be in the $4+ million neighbourhood.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:14 p.m.
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Nope. On a long term deal, Copp will be in the $4+ million neighbourhood.


Here’s my plan then bye bye Stanley welcome Samberg
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:16 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Still so tight for cap space, would probably demote Riikola to the AHL and keep Niku as a cheaper #7 dman if this happened.

Gotta wonder if Chevy didn't like what he was getting from Pionk's camp so he acquired Schmidt and Dillon.


Negotiations with both Copp and pionk never even started until after those trades were made. That came straight from Chevy too. So that theory is thrown out, I think it’s inevitable that Copp is traded. Likely asking for too much as that’s his agents MO and Jets cannot let it get to arbitration. I’m expecting a lacklustre return for Copp. Something in the neighborhood of a b prospect and a 3rd at best.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:16 p.m.
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Here’s my plan then bye bye Stanley welcome Samberg


That only gets you $75k net savings.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:51 p.m.
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Negotiations with both Copp and pionk never even started until after those trades were made. That came straight from Chevy too. So that theory is thrown out, I think it’s inevitable that Copp is traded. Likely asking for too much as that’s his agents MO and Jets cannot let it get to arbitration. I’m expecting a lacklustre return for Copp. Something in the neighborhood of a b prospect and a 3rd at best.


Well, we're taking Chevy at his word but don't we think he already has an idea of what these guys are looking for well ahead of actual negotiations?
I've heard that Pionk likes Winnipeg so I really hope Chevy isn't playing too much hardball with a guy that actually wants to be here, is a good player and plays a position that can be hard to fill that also the organization is very thin at.
Seems like he's waited too long to trade Copp and the return will likely be lower, guess we'll see, maybe other GM's aren't as high on Copp as so many Jets fans seem to be, he might be asking for 5M+ as he was on pace for a 58 point season BUT it was a unique year and was the first time he actually broke the 30 point mark, if I was an actual GM I'd very reluctant to give Copp anymore then $3.5M.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 8:58 p.m.
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For reference, Evolving Hockey's contract projections (from a couple of months ago) for Copp and Pionk.

Neal Pionk
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%

Andrew Copp
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.067 6%
2yr $4.276 12%
3yr $4.697 11%
4yr $5.093 29%
5yr $5.392 17%
6yr $5.928 14%
7yr $6.134 10%
8yr $6.854 1%

Every team has a model (this one is similar to the one done by Matt Cane who then went to the Devils) and every agency likely has a consultant with a model.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 9:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
For reference, Evolving Hockey's contract projections (from a couple of months ago) for Copp and Pionk.

Neal Pionk
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%

Andrew Copp
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.067 6%
2yr $4.276 12%
3yr $4.697 11%
4yr $5.093 29%
5yr $5.392 17%
6yr $5.928 14%
7yr $6.134 10%
8yr $6.854 1%

Every team has a model (this one is similar to the one done by Matt Cane who then went to the Devils) and every agency likely has a consultant with a model.


This Matt Cane guy went to work for the Devils?
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 9:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Canoehead
For reference, Evolving Hockey's contract projections (from a couple of months ago) for Copp and Pionk.

Neal Pionk
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.982 6%
2yr $5.114 6%
3yr $5.891 6%
4yr $5.976 34%
5yr $6.434 7%
6yr $6.862 5%
7yr $6.418 26%
8yr $7.422 10%

Andrew Copp
Term AAV (mil) Probability
1yr $4.067 6%
2yr $4.276 12%
3yr $4.697 11%
4yr $5.093 29%
5yr $5.392 17%
6yr $5.928 14%
7yr $6.134 10%
8yr $6.854 1%

Every team has a model (this one is similar to the one done by Matt Cane who then went to the Devils) and every agency likely has a consultant with a model.


Don't think Copp will ever live up to a $5M contract, think any team who signs him to that will regret it.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 9:51 p.m.
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Don't think Copp will ever live up to a $5M contract, think any team who signs him to that will regret it.


I agree. It would be a huge risk to drop that kind of money based on one year of good stats.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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I think most Jet fans would be rightfully upset if that's all the Jets get back for Copp.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
This Matt Cane guy went to work for the Devils?


He published and updated his model for a few seasons and then he stopped several years ago when he got a job either to run the Devils' analytics team or to be a part of the Devils' analytics team. The Evolving Hockey model has similar specifications to Cane's model.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 11:57 p.m.
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Doesn't look like the Jets can afford Copp. Ates (The Athletic) put together a likely 22 man roster -- accounting for Little's LTIR -- and came up with just $10.7 million to spend on Pionk, Stanley, and Copp (I guess Kovacevic doesn't matter because he will be sub- $1million and in the minors). He has Stanley at $1 million, Pionk at $6 million (just below Morrissey money) which would leave $3.7 million for Copp, which isn't enough for a long-term deal.


Yes but it's cuz Beau makes too much. Trade him and we have enough for a 4M Copp
Aug. 3, 2021 at 7:03 a.m.
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Yes but it's cuz Beau makes too much. Trade him and we have enough for a 4M Copp


Taking Beaulieu out and replacing him with a league minimum guy brings you to $4.2 million. Just have to run a 22 (instead of 23) man roster for the full year and hope there aren't many injuries.
Aug. 3, 2021 at 9:48 a.m.
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Taking Beaulieu out and replacing him with a league minimum guy brings you to $4.2 million. Just have to run a 22 (instead of 23) man roster for the full year and hope there aren't many injuries.


22 man is fine as we have the Moose in town
Aug. 3, 2021 at 9:59 a.m.
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22 man is fine as we have the Moose in town


If there is an injury, then the roster increases (without salary relief) because of the replacement is called up. The Moose option of running 22 with an injury only works well when both the Jets and the Moose are in the same city at the same time, but if they are in different cities then nope.
 
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