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Aug. 4, 2021 at 11:31 p.m.
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Why on earth would the Jets do that? That should and would be an instant no from Chevy. The Jets finally have a legit top 4, they're not going to throw that away now for twoyears of a player that will be knocked out of Winnipeg's top 6 as early as next year.
Aug. 4, 2021 at 11:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Why on earth would the Jets do that? That should and would be an instant no from Chevy. The Jets finally have a legit top 4, they're not going to throw that away now for twoyears of a player that will be knocked out of Winnipeg's top 6 as early as next year.


Jets will get smoked again, when they see any nucleus of large defenseman, like mtl did to them and also Vegas previously, our biggest hole is large forwards that thrive in traffic in front of opposing nets. Need a few guys that can take on the playoff crosschecks and also get in the middle of the usual abuse scheifele takes come playoff time. Morrissey might be too much to spend for the buy, but heinola coming fast, might need to make room for him just as fast.
Aug. 4, 2021 at 11:42 p.m.
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It's a decent trade for the Wings. I don't think Wings don't really need a LD for this season unless Dekeyser or someone else gets hurt early in the season. I could see them doing this later in the season or in 22-23 if a left defenseman is needed and the rebuild is "over".
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Aug. 4, 2021 at 11:45 p.m.
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It's a decent trade for the Wings. I don't think Wings don't really need a LD for this season unless Dekeyser or someone else gets hurt early in the season. I could see them doing this later in the season or in 22-23 if a left defenseman is needed and the rebuild is "over".

How’s detroit doing with the rebuild, it wasn’t that long ago since the fanbase would basically expect a cup run every other year. Damn was there some good wings teams over the years from about 94 til a few seasons ago.
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Aug. 4, 2021 at 11:58 p.m.
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Jets will get smoked again, when they see any nucleus of large defenseman, like mtl did to them and also Vegas previously, our biggest hole is large forwards that thrive in traffic in front of opposing nets. Need a few guys that can take on the playoff crosschecks and also get in the middle of the usual abuse scheifele takes come playoff time. Morrissey might be too much to spend for the buy, but heinola coming fast, might need to make room for him just as fast.


Meh. I don't agree with you at all there. The Jets lost to Montreal because of Scheifele and Demelo being out and the Jets giving up, no other reason. If they play the Jets win.

Regardless, giving away a top 4 defenseman with 7 years of term for a low end 2nd liner with 2 years is just a hefty overpay.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:06 a.m.
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Meh. I don't agree with you at all there. The Jets lost to Montreal because of Scheifele and Demelo being out and the Jets giving up, no other reason. If they play the Jets win.

Regardless, giving away a top 4 defenseman with 7 years of term for a low end 2nd liner with 2 years is just a hefty overpay.


Fair enough
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
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Detroit declines, we have 17 defenders - not giving up a 1st-liner for one more.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:12 a.m.
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Meh. I don't agree with you at all there. The Jets lost to Montreal because of Scheifele and Demelo being out and the Jets giving up, no other reason. If they play the Jets win.

Regardless, giving away a top 4 defenseman with 7 years of term for a low end 2nd liner with 2 years is just a hefty overpay.

You are massively undervaluing Bertuzzi. I'm not saying the Jets should make that trade either and even as a Wings fan, I'll admit that Detroit would win that trade, but Bertuzzi is a hell of lot more than a "low end 2nd liner"...

Regardless, Detroit is not trading Bertuzzi for anything short of an outlandish overpay right now. His value is irrelevant, because we don't want to trade him and he doesn't want to be traded. I actually think a team would be stupid to pay what Bertuzzi would cost in a trade, but that's what it will take to acquire him, a stupid overpayment.

Come next off-season, or even the TDL and that may change, but right now, his cost is astronomically high and he is not being moved.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:14 a.m.
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Meh. I don't agree with you at all there. The Jets lost to Montreal because of Scheifele and Demelo being out and the Jets giving up, no other reason. If they play the Jets win.

Regardless, giving away a top 4 defenseman with 7 years of term for a low end 2nd liner with 2 years is just a hefty overpay.

“Low end second liner” please elaborate on this opinion.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:18 a.m.
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Player value aside, Yzerman doesn't seem to be a huge fan of contracts with a lot of term left. Morrissey is a solid top 4 D but not good enough for Yzerman to overlook that long of a commitment. The Wings have also invested a ton of draft picks on LD the past couple drafts. Given they're still rebuilding, they mine as well stay patient and see what they have over the next couple years before making a trade like this
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:23 a.m.
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How’s detroit doing with the rebuild, it wasn’t that long ago since the fanbase would basically expect a cup run every other year. Damn was there some good wings teams over the years from about 94 til a few seasons ago.


Yeah I've been blessed to grow up watching some amazing players on the Red Wings; they're the reason my parents got me into hockey a long time ago.

It has been tough to watch since they stopped earning a playoff spot but Yzerman is doing great work on improving the team.

I'm hoping they can start thinking about making the playoffs in 22-23... almost for sure by 23-24 if prospects work out. Thanks for asking
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 12:38 a.m.
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I would personally say this would be a win for Detroit, but with what they have invested with draft capital over the last few years we had alot of LD coming up.
That said if this was an actual offer I would take it, or some form of it. I would be interested in maybe acquiring Copp's rights in some form of deal. Or more so bringing Kyle Connor home although his price would be too high. As much as I would hate to see it happen, Hronek would be a good fit for Winnipeg, but his cost would also be very high as he is our best defender and a RD on top.
Either way there is a possibility of some interesting trades that could happen between the two clubs, and they could have the potential to be huge as well.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 1:10 a.m.
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“Low end second liner” please elaborate on this opinion.


I think @Windjammer is looking at this from the view that all the jets wingers are really top line players, hence he would be a fringe 2nd line player like Copp who would be replaced by perfetti or vesalainen within a year at most. Realistically, bertuzzi is a good 2nd liner who makes up for less offence with great defence. Believe it or not, Morrissey is still the jets best d-man and they are heavily invested in him. There’s no way the jets do this.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 2:17 a.m.
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I think Windjammer is looking at this from the view that all the jets wingers are really top line players, hence he would be a fringe 2nd line player like Copp who would be replaced by perfetti or vesalainen within a year at most. Realistically, bertuzzi is a good 2nd liner who makes up for less offence with great defence. Believe it or not, Morrissey is still the jets best d-man and they are heavily invested in him. There’s no way the jets do this.


What I believe for a team to win a cup, you need to beat 4 different teams on the way to the cup. Goalie needs to steal one, physical series, special teams, and 5vs5. I think Jets can win 2 out of the 4 currently and with the 2 dman added possibly 3/4. I think the missing link is the offensive goals in traffic around the blue paint, helping the pp and 5vs 5 and physically. I think the Jets window is next two seasons with Wheeler age and scheifele cheap contract decision, so I would be making some more interesting moves this summer and next deadline. Still like 45-1 cup odds and hope the kids come quick.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 6:12 a.m.
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I think Windjammer is looking at this from the view that all the jets wingers are really top line players, hence he would be a fringe 2nd line player like Copp who would be replaced by perfetti or vesalainen within a year at most. Realistically, bertuzzi is a good 2nd liner who makes up for less offence with great defence. Believe it or not, Morrissey is still the jets best d-man and they are heavily invested in him. There’s no way the jets do this.


Bertuzzi is a 1st line winger. Unless you're using some completely arbitrary method of judgement not normally recognized. The last two full seasons he played he was 25th and 21st in LW scoring. I'm pretty sure there are 32 1st line left wingers.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 6:16 a.m.
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Meh. I don't agree with you at all there. The Jets lost to Montreal because of Scheifele and Demelo being out and the Jets giving up, no other reason. If they play the Jets win.

Regardless, giving away a top 4 defenseman with 7 years of term for a low end 2nd liner with 2 years is just a hefty overpay.


This is a baaaadddd take. See above.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 7:56 a.m.
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I think Windjammer is looking at this from the view that all the jets wingers are really top line players, hence he would be a fringe 2nd line player like Copp who would be replaced by perfetti or vesalainen within a year at most. Realistically, bertuzzi is a good 2nd liner who makes up for less offence with great defence. Believe it or not, Morrissey is still the jets best d-man and they are heavily invested in him. There’s no way the jets do this.

I never said the Jets would or wouldn’t make the trade. I was just pointing out a incorrect that statement is of that poster. The rationale is illogical, it would be like calling Scheifele a low end 3C if Edmonton was calling.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.
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I think Windjammer is looking at this from the view that all the jets wingers are really top line players, hence he would be a fringe 2nd line player like Copp who would be replaced by perfetti or vesalainen within a year at most. Realistically, bertuzzi is a good 2nd liner who makes up for less offence with great defence. Believe it or not, Morrissey is still the jets best d-man and they are heavily invested in him. There’s no way the jets do this.


Yeah, that's kind of what I mean. Bertuzzi gets all the prime minutes in Detroit and does pretty good with them. But he won't be getting those prime minutes in Winnipeg. He'd be our 4th best winger (so low end) this year by a fair margin and then next year with Perfetti probably coming in, he'd be passed again.

Then you throw in that the Jets are giving up 7 years of a very good top 4 defenseman just days after finally assembling a solid top 4, for 2 years of a winger that would be a luxury. It would just be very bad asset and team needs management.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 9:58 a.m.
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Jets will get smoked again, when they see any nucleus of large defenseman, like mtl did to them and also Vegas previously, our biggest hole is large forwards that thrive in traffic in front of opposing nets. Need a few guys that can take on the playoff crosschecks and also get in the middle of the usual abuse scheifele takes come playoff time. Morrissey might be too much to spend for the buy, but heinola coming fast, might need to make room for him just as fast.


They don’t need anymore offence we’ll give what we have a try
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