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Trades With Long and Full Explanation

Created by: BallPuckFellow10
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2021
Published: Aug. 5, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Jensen Trade:
At the moment, the Capitals are in a little bit of cap crunch as they have to resign their goalie Samsonov. If they run the 12 forwards that currently are on their roster, 6 defensemen (Carlson, Orlov, Schultz, Kempny, Jensen and Fehérváry) and Vanecek, the Capitals have $3.5M to resign Samsonov. I don't think it is unrealistic that they bridge him at around $2.5M. This leaves them with around $1M in cap space. They have Trevor van Riemsdyk as well that has a cap hit of $950K which I at the moment can't see being waived. He is a legit #6 defenseman on every team in the league. With him on their roster, they have no cap space and only 21 players. I feel like it would be unrealistic to expect them to run that the whole season. I think they are going to make at least one move to free up some cap flexibility. They have veteran D Matt Irvin signed as a very good 8th option but would be good as a 7th option as well. Jensen was their 6th most used defensemen last year and had almost exactly the same average time on ice as van Riemsdyk. Jensen together with Chara was the Capitals go to penalty killing d-pair which would be tough for Washington to loose. van Riemsdyk also played on the penalty kill when playing but not as much as Jensen. They both had really good results.

My point here is that the Capitals already have someone that they know can play on their 3rd pair and play on their penalty kill with success. They essentially do the same thing although Jensen is better, but costs $1.6M more. Trading van Riemsdyk won't do much as it doesn't open up enough cap space to have two healthy scratches. Trading Jensen would do this. with Irwin as their 7th D and on the roster, the Capitals would have $1.87M left in cap space (that is if Samsonov sign for $2.5M). This would enable them to comfortably have two extra forwards on the roster for $935K each and have a 23 man roster under cap ceiling.

I understand that they can look to move other players but I feel like this move would hurt the Caps the least. They won't need to find a replacement and can gain assets that can be used for something else.
What would the price be? I think you have to look at the Dillon deal and say that it would be pretty similar. I feel like a 2nd and a 3rd would be a fair price based on the current market.

What role would Nick Jensen play on the Leafs? The exact same one as he did with the Capitals. He is defensively excellent and would be a perfect partner for Sandin this year. For the games with Liljegren in the lineup, he could be moved to play with Rielly while Brodie can ''babysit'' Liljegren. He would be great on the Leafs PK as well which is much needed. I definitely think he is an upgrade on Dermott, and he has a veteran presence which I think is a bonus.

Dermott Trade:
Personally I really like Dermott. He is a really good #5 defenseman on most teams in the league and I still think he has the potential to become a #4 with some more experience. The problem with him in Toronto is that I feel that him and Sandin are too similar to work in a d-pair. Sandin maybe brings a little more offense while Dermott is better defensively. There is no question that Sandin's ceiling is higher than Dermott's which is why I think it makes sense to move him, especially if you can acquire a guy like Jensen. At the moment, I think Arizona makes the most sense. He can play on their 2nd or 3rd pair depending on how good Gostibehere plays for them. He is relatively young, cheap and under contract for another year for a very reasonable cap hit. He can be flipped later for just about the same as he was acquired for or even more if he develops further. I feel like this is a pretty safe bet for Arizona.

What would Dermott cost? I think he would come cheaper than both Dillon and Jensen. Jake Bean got a 2nd and he still has a lot of potential. Zadorov got a 3rd, but his contract is going to come in way more than Dermott's $1.5M. I feel like a 3rd and 4th would be a realistic target for the Leafs and shouldn't scare teams away from making a deal.

Kerfoot Trade:
Kerfoot is also a player that I like very much. I definitely think that he is underrated and only got spoken about with some respect after putting up some points in the playoffs. I think people who expected him to score at the same rate he was at in Colorado with the role he has had with the Leafs is dreaming. He could definitely be a 15 goals 40 points guy if he played an offensive role. His smarts with stick positioning, defensive angling and understanding of game situations has made him play a shut down role which he does well, but there is more to his game. If he plays with Tavares and Nylander for a full season, the noise about him being overpaid are going to disappear quickly. Unfortunately for him in this situation, he is someone that is going to have to be moved. I can see multiple destinations for him. A team with a hole on their 2nd line LW could use him, or a team that need a versatile 3rd line option with the potential to fill in higher in the lineup could use him as well.

My suggestions for trade destinations would be Buffalo, where he would help them reach the cap floor especially with Eichel's imminent trade. Nashville, where he could replace Järnkrok's versatility. Carolina, where he could build an excellent line with Staal and Fast. Calgary to be a versatile top 9 option. Winnipeg, if Copp is too expensive for them. San Jose to be a versatile top 9 option. I think all these places are legitimate fits for him, but they can obviously go for other targets as well. Foegele got Bear in return, Pitlick got a 4th, Dickinson a 3rd, Lemieux got a 4th. I feel like Kerfoot realistically could fetch a 3rd and a 5th from the team trying to acquire him.

Leafs Outcome:
Starting from the backend, I think the Leafs come out stronger than they started. On this team with what is asked of the player playing in that role, Jensen is a better fit than Dermott. He is a PK specialist and can also be a safety blanket for Sandin when played together. Something that Dermott at the moment doesn't offer in my opinion. Loosing Kerfoot obviously weakens the team as a forward option disappears. However, his salary in this scenario needs to be moved and there are options that can fill the hole that Kerfoot leaves. With this setup, the Leafs forward group is set to having a 2 offensively dominant lines a complete shut down line and a line that can produce offense sporadically with players that can move up in the lineup if they are hot. Someone like Kase can start to play on a really sheltered line with Spezza and Simmonds to ease in and see how it goes as he has missed so much hockey the over the last year. If he performs well and is ready for top 6 minutes, he can play with Tavares and Nylander while either Bunting or Ritchie move down in the lineup. All the players on the shutdown line had above 63% in defensive zone starts last year and are comfortable playing that role. This line will be crucial for the team. Finally, the Leafs also get to re-stock their pick cupboard somewhat which is heavily needed.
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Jensen, Nick
WSH
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (NYI)
  2. 2022 4th round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Dermott, Travis
3.
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Additional Details:
Could be any of the teams that I listed in the text.
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
TOR
CAR
ARI
CAR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
NYI
TOR
TOR
TOR
2024
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,258,116$0$400,000$241,884

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Bunting, Michael
$950,000
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 4
TOR
Ritchie, Nick
$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kase, Ondrej
$1,250,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Mrázek, Petr
$3,800,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
WSH
Jensen, Nick
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$725,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Gabriel, Kurtis
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Simmonds, W.
Bunting, M.
Matthews, A.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Ritchie, N.
Kase, O.
Tavares, J.
Nylander, W.
Sandin, R.
Penalty Kill 1
Kämpf, D.
Mikheyev, I.
Muzzin, J.
Holl, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Spezza, J.
Engvall, P.
Brodie, T.
Jensen, N.

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Aug. 5 at 4:23 a.m.
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i like this the problem with toronto has been lack of depth wich has been the problem in the playoffs this is a team that gets past the first round
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Aug. 5 at 6:49 a.m.
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Dermott is better than Jensen. Hell, I'd wager Liljegren is better than Jensen. This whole idea weakens the team and loses a 2nd. It's not a good plan. Roll with what we have. Half the people on here use JFresh as the Bible (I think he has obvious flaws but does tell some interesting stuff) and he has Dermott as one of the best 3rd pair defenceman in the game. Why is that not enough for people? "Sure he's proven to be extremely effective in sheltered minutes, but he isn't a #1 so he sucks". How does that logic work? If you are the best at the role you are needed, that is extremely valuable and he's cheap and young.
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Aug. 5 at 6:52 a.m.
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Quoting: nathanallan
i like this the problem with toronto has been lack of depth wich has been the problem in the playoffs this is a team that gets past the first round


Comments like this always make me laugh. Depth wasn't the problem last season or in the playoffs. Neither was defence or goaltending. It wasn't the issue the year before truthfully at least in the playoffs. Vs Columbus, their goalies set a record for save percentage in a playoff round. Absolutely once in a life time performances. Vs Montreal, they should have won and didn't. A few moments made the difference and Matthews hitting the post 4 times in the series didn't help. But the depth came through, literally 1 goal from Matthews in games 5, 6, or 7 and the series was over. Not blaming him but just saying the depth wasn't the problem.
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Aug. 5 at 6:54 a.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Comments like this always make me laugh. Depth wasn't the problem last season or in the playoffs. Neither was defence or goaltending. It wasn't the issue the year before truthfully at least in the playoffs. Vs Columbus, their goalies set a record for save percentage in a playoff round. Absolutely once in a life time performances. Vs Montreal, they should have won and didn't. A few moments made the difference and Matthews hitting the post 4 times in the series didn't help. But the depth came through, literally 1 goal from Matthews in games 5, 6, or 7 and the series was over. Not blaming him but just saying the depth wasn't the problem.


well clearly this team doesnt have a 2nd round roster and top 6 has amazing players so does defence and goaltending you have to change something therefore the only solution is changing up the depth and botton 6
Aug. 5 at 7:39 a.m.
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Quoting: nathanallan
well clearly this team doesnt have a 2nd round roster and top 6 has amazing players so does defence and goaltending you have to change something therefore the only solution is changing up the depth and botton 6


Ovie took 10 season before he found playoff success. Matthews is 23. No need to make huge change. Find some cheap low risk, high reward periphery changes and the success will come.
Aug. 5 at 7:59 a.m.
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Dermot and Jensen seem to be awash in trade value (maybe). For cap reasons, the the Leafs have a decisions whether to keep Kerfoot or the combo of Engvall and Mikheyev. I like all three players.
IMO the Leafs need the security of having a Kerfoot, who is a competent centre. I'm not sure behind Matthews and Tavares, the Leafs centres could hold up if a injury to the top two centres and there was no Kerfoot.
Aug. 5 at 8:40 a.m.
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Quoting: nathanallan
i like this the problem with toronto has been lack of depth wich has been the problem in the playoffs this is a team that gets past the first round


Not re-signing Hyman was the right move for the Leafs. I would take 2-3 top 9 forwards over a top 6 forward, but depends who that top 6 forward is. I would take Ritchie, Bunting, Kampf, and Kase over Hyman
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Aug. 5 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Ovie took 10 season before he found playoff success. Matthews is 23. No need to make huge change. Find some cheap low risk, high reward periphery changes and the success will come.


Technically in the 10 years he got the team to the semi finals 6 times not including the cup run, he entered the league in 2005 and in his 4th season he got the team to the semis. This team hasn’t seen the 2nd round since god knows when. Now the team is arguably weaker without Hyman and we have to replace him with either Bunting (one good half season), Ritchie (first season where he didn’t look like a bust), or Kerfoot (he should be given a shot at the top 6).
Aug. 5 at 10:20 a.m.
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Quoting: BulinWall
Technically in the 10 years he got the team to the semi finals 6 times not including the cup run, he entered the league in 2005 and in his 4th season he got the team to the semis. This team hasn’t seen the 2nd round since god knows when. Now the team is arguably weaker without Hyman and we have to replace him with either Bunting (one good half season), Ritchie (first season where he didn’t look like a bust), or Kerfoot (he should be given a shot at the top 6).


Ovie didn't get passed the 2nd round until they won the cup
Aug. 5 at 10:36 a.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Dermott is better than Jensen. Hell, I'd wager Liljegren is better than Jensen. This whole idea weakens the team and loses a 2nd. It's not a good plan. Roll with what we have. Half the people on here use JFresh as the Bible (I think he has obvious flaws but does tell some interesting stuff) and he has Dermott as one of the best 3rd pair defenceman in the game. Why is that not enough for people? "Sure he's proven to be extremely effective in sheltered minutes, but he isn't a #1 so he sucks". How does that logic work? If you are the best at the role you are needed, that is extremely valuable and he's cheap and young.


Dermott is definitely not better than Jensen and Liljegren is not better either. If you go by JFresh's player cards, take a look at Jensen card and then come back to me. Dermott is not the best 3rd pair defensemen in the league, he played EXTREMELY sheltered minutes, look it up. He played 13:13 per night and had over 55% offensive zone starts. The only regular player on the roster with a higher % was Morgan Rielly, and he is our number 1 scoring defensemen and obviously you are start him as much as possible in the offensive zone. Dermott doesn't play the power play, doesn't play the penalty kill, so what does he really contribute to this roster other than being sheltered? Compare that to Jensen who played 17:18 per night, started 63% in the defensive zone, had more than double Dermott points why being Washingtons #1 penalty killer together with Chara. Jensen allows the Leafs to roll 3 pairs more effectively which will lighten the workload on all the other defensemen, something that can be helpful in a full 82 game season.
Aug. 5 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Dermot and Jensen seem to be awash in trade value (maybe). For cap reasons, the the Leafs have a decisions whether to keep Kerfoot or the combo of Engvall and Mikheyev. I like all three players.
IMO the Leafs need the security of having a Kerfoot, who is a competent centre. I'm not sure behind Matthews and Tavares, the Leafs centres could hold up if a injury to the top two centres and there was no Kerfoot.


Jensen is defiantly the far superior player of them too, and has a proven to be excellent in a Rolle the leafs need someone to fill. Im going to give you some lines the Leaf can roll out if one of their big 4 is injured so that you see that depth finally is there.
If Matthews is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Marner and Bunting/Ritchie-Nylander-Kase.
If Marner is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Nylander/Kase and Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Nylander/Kase.
If Tavares is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Marner and Bunting/Ritchie-Nylander-Kase.
If Nylander is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Kase and Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Marner.

They have more options now if someone goes down offensively.
Aug. 5 at 10:49 a.m.
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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10
Jensen is defiantly the far superior player of them too, and has a proven to be excellent in a Rolle the leafs need someone to fill. Im going to give you some lines the Leaf can roll out if one of their big 4 is injured so that you see that depth finally is there.
If Matthews is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Marner and Bunting/Ritchie-Nylander-Kase.
If Marner is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Nylander/Kase and Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Nylander/Kase.
If Tavares is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Marner and Bunting/Ritchie-Nylander-Kase.
If Nylander is hurt, they can run Bunting/Ritchie-Matthews-Kase and Bunting/Ritchie-Tavares-Marner.

They have more options now if someone goes down offensively.


I think you proved my point when you force the Leafs to use Nylander at centre.
Aug. 5 at 10:52 a.m.
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Quoting: BulinWall
Technically in the 10 years he got the team to the semi finals 6 times not including the cup run, he entered the league in 2005 and in his 4th season he got the team to the semis. This team hasn’t seen the 2nd round since god knows when. Now the team is arguably weaker without Hyman and we have to replace him with either Bunting (one good half season), Ritchie (first season where he didn’t look like a bust), or Kerfoot (he should be given a shot at the top 6).


I'd have to disagree with you. The Leafs are not weaker up front, I'd argue they are stronger, and more versatile. Obviously Hyman is better than Bunting, Ritchie, Kase, Kämpf individually, but Hymans $5.5M vs those guys combined cap hit of $6.15M gives the Leafs more bodies to surround the top guys. And also more protection if another JT situation happens in the playoffs. Jensen can also step up and play shut down minutes if someone like Muzzin gets hurt. Dermott can't do that at all.
Aug. 5 at 10:55 a.m.
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I think you proved my point when you force the Leafs to use Nylander at centre.


What are you talking about? Nylander is definitely comfortable playing center and good at it too. Doesn't make sense to have him play it at the 3rd line when Matthews and JT are healthy but he is more than capable to fill that hole when someone is hurt. He is a better 2C than Kerfoot.
Aug. 5 at 10:59 a.m.
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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10
What are you talking about? Nylander is definitely comfortable playing center and good at it too. Doesn't make sense to have him play it at the 3rd line when Matthews and JT are healthy but he is more than capable to fill that hole when someone is hurt. He is a better 2C than Kerfoot.


Gee, where did to you make up this fantasy about Nylander playing on the 3rd line when Matthews and JT are healthy? Now whether Nylander is good as a 2C is up for debate.
Aug. 5 at 11:01 a.m.
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Gee, where did to you make up this fantasy about Nylander playing on the 3rd line when Matthews and JT are healthy? Now whether Nylander is good as a 2C is up for debate.


I was just demonstrating why he doesn't play center regularly for the Leafs. He is very capable as a place holder until the player hurt comes back.
Aug. 5 at 11:20 a.m.
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TLDR - Kerfoot to Canes gross.
Aug. 5 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: BallPuckFellow10
Dermott is definitely not better than Jensen and Liljegren is not better either. If you go by JFresh's player cards, take a look at Jensen card and then come back to me. Dermott is not the best 3rd pair defensemen in the league, he played EXTREMELY sheltered minutes, look it up. He played 13:13 per night and had over 55% offensive zone starts. The only regular player on the roster with a higher % was Morgan Rielly, and he is our number 1 scoring defensemen and obviously you are start him as much as possible in the offensive zone. Dermott doesn't play the power play, doesn't play the penalty kill, so what does he really contribute to this roster other than being sheltered? Compare that to Jensen who played 17:18 per night, started 63% in the defensive zone, had more than double Dermott points why being Washingtons #1 penalty killer together with Chara. Jensen allows the Leafs to roll 3 pairs more effectively which will lighten the workload on all the other defensemen, something that can be helpful in a full 82 game season.


Jensen is not worth getting
Aug. 5 at 12:18 p.m.
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Jensen is not worth getting


We can agree to disagree on this one!
 
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