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Players who were given up on too early

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Aug. 5, 2021 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
Turris - forced his way out of Arizona, traded and overpaid by Nashville. Not sure how that constitutes given up on early.
Anderson - got paid a lot after coming off an injury riddled season. Columbus didn't give up on him.
Borgström - who? Spent last season in Finland and was apart of a cap dump. Not exactly given up on.
Suzuki - price of Pacioretty
Petry - had like 5 seasons with the Oilers and was going to UFA.
Fox - as everyone else is saying; only wanted to play in New York.


Turris was great in Ottawa just because he was overpaid by Nashville doesn’t make him a bad player
Aug. 5, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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Turris was great in Ottawa just because he was overpaid by Nashville doesn’t make him a bad player


Never said he was a bad player, I pointed out that he wasn't given up on.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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Refusing to play for your drafted team is selfish. Playing in the NHL is a privilege. Do you see other players bullying their way to where they want to play? He screwed Calgary and Carolina over because he was too much of a baby and would cry if he didn’t go to New York. No franchise bullied a player into playing for them. Fox refusing to sign a contract with his team is an ass move.


No, expecting players to have to play for a team simply because they called their name is dumb. Forcing kids to live and play where they dont want is dumb.
Siding with rich sports teams over players is dumb.
Players make the league money, not the other way around
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:10 p.m.
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When you are drafted, you are given the choice to play in the NHL. Nobody is forced to sign. The price of admission is that you accept a contract with the team that drafted you. In return you get resources and ice time to develop your game and a chance to earn contracts worth millions of dollars.

While I believe there should be exceptions for players' decisions over medical treatment (re:Eichel), the "control" is reasonable. All workers agree to certain terms when they sign an employment contract and employers have a right to expect some form of minimum standard.
Remember that these are guaranteed contracts. There are necessary protections for both parties.

If Edmonton is good enough for McDavid, what right does Fox, or anyone else, have to refuse signing and still play in the NHL?


No, forcing people to live in a situation they dont like is bad. Just because a team drafted you doesn't mean they should control you for a set amount of years.
Players should 100% be able to play where they want if they can
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
When you are drafted, you are given the choice to play in the NHL. Nobody is forced to sign. The price of admission is that you accept a contract with the team that drafted you. In return you get resources and ice time to develop your game and a chance to earn contracts worth millions of dollars.

While I believe there should be exceptions for players' decisions over medical treatment (re:Eichel), the "control" is reasonable. All workers agree to certain terms when they sign an employment contract and employers have a right to expect some form of minimum standard.
Remember that these are guaranteed contracts. There are necessary protections for both parties.

If Edmonton is good enough for McDavid, what right does Fox, or anyone else, have to refuse signing and still play in the NHL?


Sorry that isn't how it works. Gee, Fox never signed an employment contract when he was drafted.

Once a player signs an NHL contract he is governed by the "movement restrictions". that the owners and NHLPA have agreed too.

So Fox, Marino, Vesey and others delayed their entry to NHL so they could be in effect UFAs and chose to their destinations....which are the rules of the owners and the NHLPA.

So Fox never violated any NHL or labour laws. Actually he followed the rules set out in the NHLPA agreement

Actually the owners like this rule. It allows them not to be seen as a monopoly on player movement. MLB allows drafted players to not sign with their drafted teams, as does the NFL, and sign later with other teams in the MLB or NFL.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.
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No, forcing people to live in a situation they dont like is bad. Just because a team drafted you doesn't mean they should control you for a set amount of years.
Players should 100% be able to play where they want if they can


You’re right no one should force kids to play where they don’t want but if it was a big problem, more newly drafted players would demand trades don’t you think? Especially for players picked on higher rounds, they should at least make it known they want to play for a specific team or else a team will go on to draft them and later find out they aren’t even willing to play for them.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:20 p.m.
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You’re right no one should force kids to play where they don’t want but if it was a big problem, more newly drafted players would demand trades don’t you think? Especially for players picked on higher rounds, they should at least make it known they want to play for a specific team or else a team will go on to draft them and later find out they aren’t even willing to play for them.


I hope they do. The entire cba should ne rewritten to give players optimal control over their own destiny. Like the nba. Contract options and outs should be standard, especially for superstars.
It's better for the league and the players
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:25 p.m.
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I hope they do. The entire cba should ne rewritten to give players optimal control over their own destiny. Like the nba. Contract options and outs should be standard, especially for superstars.
It's better for the league and the players


The downside to that is that there will end up being one super stacked team with everyone wanting to go to that team.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:28 p.m.
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You’re right no one should force kids to play where they don’t want but if it was a big problem, more newly drafted players would demand trades don’t you think? Especially for players picked on higher rounds, they should at least make it known they want to play for a specific team or else a team will go on to draft them and later find out they aren’t even willing to play for them.


Yes, if you don't want to sign you can wait for your rights to expire. Personally, I think whatever team does sign such a player, owes the team who last owned his rights, a pick in the round he was selected. No team should "lose" a 1st round pick without getting any games from that player. The rules however do allow for it.

Choosing where you play and not accepting anything else is just a "take my ball and go home" kind of attitude that shows a lack of maturity and professionalism.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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palhal



Yes, if you don't want to sign you can wait for your rights to expire. Personally, I think whatever team does sign such a player, owes the team who last owned his rights, a pick in the round he was selected. No team should "lose" a 1st round pick without getting any games from that player. The rules however do allow for it.

Choosing where you play and not accepting anything else is just a "take my ball and go home" kind of attitude that shows a lack of maturity and professionalism.


I agreee. If a player doesn’t sign with their draft team and waits out until UFA, I think they should get compensation for their lost pick.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:58 p.m.
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well i dont think any other GM was giving anderson 5.5, but MB ain't the best at negotiations, max he gets 4


He got double both what I would've given him and what I expected him to get
Aug. 5, 2021 at 4:00 p.m.
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He got double both what I would've given him and what I expected him to get


When they traded for him I expected 3 x 3.5 or something and MB really did me dirty when I seen 7 x 5.5
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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When you are drafted, you are given the choice to play in the NHL. Nobody is forced to sign. The price of admission is that you accept a contract with the team that drafted you. In return you get resources and ice time to develop your game and a chance to earn contracts worth millions of dollars.

While I believe there should be exceptions for players' decisions over medical treatment (re:Eichel), the "control" is reasonable. All workers agree to certain terms when they sign an employment contract and employers have a right to expect some form of minimum standard.
Remember that these are guaranteed contracts. There are necessary protections for both parties.

If Edmonton is good enough for McDavid, what right does Fox, or anyone else, have to refuse signing and still play in the NHL?


CGY put nothing into Fox other than a 3rd round pick. CAR put nothing into him other than in trades. Neither team had anything to do with his development. His development was all the US-Hockey and Harvard.

The only choice a prospect has to make is sign with the team who drafted him or not. If he chooses not to sign then all he has to do is wait out the timer on how long a team holds his rights.

There is an entire section in the FAQ here that breaks down exactly these rights. here Fox went to friggin Harvard, if my dumb behind can figure this out, it's a pretty safe bet that someone going to an ivy league school can figure it out too.
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Aug. 5, 2021 at 6:14 p.m.
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CGY put nothing into Fox other than a 3rd round pick. CAR put nothing into him other than in trades. Neither team had anything to do with his development. His development was all the US-Hockey and Harvard.

The only choice a prospect has to make is sign with the team who drafted him or not. If he chooses not to sign then all he has to do is wait out the timer on how long a team holds his rights.

There is an entire section in the FAQ here that breaks down exactly these rights. here Fox went to friggin Harvard, if my dumb behind can figure this out, it's a pretty safe bet that someone going to an ivy league school can figure it out too.


I know the rules. I'm saying I don't think it's right for players to be allowed to skip out on their drafting team and still have a place in the NHL with no consequence to the player or compensation for that team.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 7:15 p.m.
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I know the rules. I'm saying I don't think it's right for players to be allowed to skip out on their drafting team and still have a place in the NHL with no consequence to the player or compensation for that team.


Fox was traded, twice. The 2nd time he was traded for 2 2nds. The guy was a 3rd round pick. Any GM that offered 66oa for 37oa + 41oa at the draft would be laughed out of the league.

Teams also can get compensation for high picks that turn down a Bona-Fide Offer. It's something MN fans are looking at with the 2018 1st round pick they haven't signed yet. It'll come down to FJ is given and refuses a Bona-Fide Offer in the next 11 months. If he does MN will get a '23 2nd round compensation pick by the league.
Aug. 5, 2021 at 7:32 p.m.
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Imagine losing McDavid and getting a 2nd round pick as compensation. Now tell me that's fair to the Oilers.
 
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