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a trade that almost happened

Created by: habsfan00
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2021
Published: Aug. 5, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
during the 2014 offseason, extendtion talks between the canadiens and Subban were rough. the flyers reportedly offered 2015 1st rd pick (Provorov), Morin and "one of Voracek, Simmonds or Couturier''
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi4$2,750,000
Poehling, Ryan1$750,000
McNiven, Michael1$750,000
Leskinen, Otto1$750,000
Trades
1.
MTL
    Subban for Weber swap never happens
    NSH
    1. Weber, Shea
    2.
    MTL
    1. Subban, P.K.
    NJD
      3.
      MTL
      1. Couturier, Sean
      2. Provorov, Ivan
      3. Morin, Samuel
      PHI
      1. Subban, P.K.
      4.
      MTL
      1. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
      OTT
      1. Kulak, Brett
      2. Byron, Paul
      3. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
      Buyouts
      • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
      Retained Salary Transactions
      • Brett Kulak: $925,000 (50%)
      • Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (50%)
      • Artturi Lehkonen: $1,150,000 (50%)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2022
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      2023
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      2024
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      20$82,500,000$82,777,560$597,561$1,475,000-$277,560
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
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      Toffoli, Tyler
      $4,250,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
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      Couturier, Sean
      $4,333,333
      C
      UFA - 1
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      Gallagher, Brendan
      $6,500,000
      RW
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 6
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      Drouin, Jonathan
      $5,500,000
      LW, RW, C
      NTC
      UFA - 2
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      Suzuki, Nick
      $863,333
      C
      UFA - 1
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      Caufield, Cole
      $880,833
      LW, RW
      RFA - 2
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      Hoffman, Mike
      $4,500,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 3
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      Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
      $2,750,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
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      Anderson, Josh
      $5,500,000
      RW, LW
      NTC
      UFA - 6
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      Lehkonen, Artturi
      $1,150,000
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
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      Evans, Jake
      $750,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
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      Armia, Joel
      $3,400,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 4
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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      Provorov, Ivan
      $6,750,000
      LD
      UFA - 4
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      Romanov, Alexander
      $894,167
      LD/RD
      RFA - 1
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      Price, Carey
      $10,500,000
      G
      NMC
      UFA - 5
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      Edmundson, Joel
      $3,500,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 3
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      Petry, Jeff
      $6,250,000
      RD
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 4
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      Allen, Jake
      $2,875,000
      G
      UFA - 2
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      Chiarot, Ben
      $1,750,000
      LD/RD
      NTC
      UFA - 1
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      Savard, David
      $3,500,000
      RD
      UFA - 4
      Taxi Squad
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      Paquette, Cédric
      $950,000 ($0)
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 1
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      Perreault, Mathieu
      $950,000 ($0)
      LW, RW, C
      UFA - 1
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      Wideman, Chris
      $750,000 ($0)
      RD
      UFA - 1

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      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:19 p.m.
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      If that was the case...cool. You also would have kept Mete or been part of the Subban trade.
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      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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      Quoting: Canuckel_head
      If that was the case...cool. You also would have kept Mete or been part of the Subban trade.


      mete wasnt drafted yet
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:30 p.m.
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      Tout les échanges non pas rapport
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: habsfan00
      mete wasnt drafted yet


      Okay. Didn't know. Cool.
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:31 p.m.
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      Montreal selects Crouse instead of Provorov. Sticking Out Tongue
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: ricochetii
      Montreal selects Crouse instead of Provorov. Sticking Out Tongue


      MTL Probably Selects Werenski closer scouted to what PK was and then they probably ask for simmonds lol cause MB am i right, and then morins filler
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 8:36 p.m.
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      OTT declines.

      dumping Byron costs 2nd+3rd alone
      Aug. 5, 2021 at 9:26 p.m.
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      Quoting: PLDGEY
      OTT declines.

      dumping Byron costs 2nd+3rd alone


      incorrect my friend
      Aug. 6, 2021 at 11:04 a.m.
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      Quoting: habsfan00
      incorrect my friend


      Byron costs 6.8M over 2 years.

      It costs a 1st to dump 6M (Marleau), and that was before the flat cap. More expensive now.

      Another example, is Ladd 8M over 2 years, cost 2nd+2nd+3rd

      So Byron is between a 1st and 2nd+2nd+3rd.

      Thats real world examples given for my reasoning, you explain your side.
      Aug. 6, 2021 at 11:28 a.m.
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      Quoting: PLDGEY
      Byron costs 6.8M over 2 years.

      It costs a 1st to dump 6M (Marleau), and that was before the flat cap. More expensive now.

      Another example, is Ladd 8M over 2 years, cost 2nd+2nd+3rd

      So Byron is between a 1st and 2nd+2nd+3rd.

      Thats real world examples given for my reasoning, you explain your side.


      You can get ~1.4M in retention for 1 year for a 4th. (Foligno). That's about $700k divided over 2 years for a 4th.
      Byron could likely be moved for free at a $2.7M cap hit.
      If not, add another 4th. Byron at $2M should be enticing to at least a few teams.
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      Aug. 6, 2021 at 11:34 a.m.
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      Quoting: ricochetii
      You can get ~1.4M in retention for 1 year for a 4th. (Foligno). That's about $700k divided over 2 years for a 4th.
      Byron could likely be moved for free at a $2.7M cap hit.
      If not, add another 4th. Byron at $2M should be enticing to at least a few teams.


      Yes and No.

      So the sharks got a 4th for retaining 1.375M cap hit after the deadline, its more expensive dragging it over 2 seasons, and more expensive if youre asking for a contract spot.

      Okay, so if you want to trade Byron to another team, OTT would retain 700k per season for a 3rd.
      Aug. 6, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.
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      Quoting: PLDGEY
      Yes and No.

      So the sharks got a 4th for retaining 1.375M cap hit after the deadline, its more expensive dragging it over 2 seasons, and more expensive if youre asking for a contract spot.

      Okay, so if you want to trade Byron to another team, OTT would retain 700k per season for a 3rd.


      Point is, you don't need to give up a 1st or multiple 2nds. There is more than 1 option, especially if a player has a relatively low salary and is still useful at a lower cap hit.
      Aug. 6, 2021 at 12:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: ricochetii
      Point is, you don't need to give up a 1st or multiple 2nds. There is more than 1 option, especially if a player has a relatively low salary and is still useful at a lower cap hit.


      Which team do you see as a target for Byron @ 2.7M?
      Aug. 6, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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      Quoting: PLDGEY
      Which team do you see as a target for Byron 2.7M?


      Anyone in contention that is looking for PK or bottom 6 help. He's out for a bit, so it would probably make more sense as a deadline add.
       
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