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Montreal in the mix

Created by: Canuckel_head
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 5, 2021
Published: Aug. 5, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Poehling, Ryan3$875,000
McNiven, Michael2$825,000
Leskinen, Otto2$750,000
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi3$2,750,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  2. Drouin, Jonathan
  3. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $1,958,333
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
MTL
MTL
ANA
MTL
TBL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
2024
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,425,060$597,561$1,475,000$74,940
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 5
MTL
Caufield, Cole
$880,833
RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Hoffman, Mike
$4,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,300,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Evans, Jake
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 6
MTL
Perreault, Mathieu
$950,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Paquette, Cédric
$950,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
MTL
Armia, Joel
$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$6,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Allen, Jake
$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Savard, David
$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
MTL
Primeau, Cayden
$880,833
G
RFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Poehling, Ryan
$875,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5

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Aug. 5 at 3:43 p.m.
#1
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Sabres easily decline.
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Aug. 5 at 3:44 p.m.
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Nice Guy
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I Don't understand the obsession with eichel. Why give up the future for 1 player
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Aug. 5 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsRSus
I Don't understand the obsession with eichel. Why give up the future for 1 player


I mean, you’re giving up assets that you likely are hoping will even sniff the level of play Eichel is at. In almost every single Eichel trade, he will be the best player. He’s a bonafide 1C in the league and when he’s on his game he’s a top 10 center.

Say the habs give up KK, Romanov and 2 1sts or something lien that. KK won’t be as good as Eichel ever, Romanov while likely becoming a really good top 4 dman won’t have the impact Eichel has. Then you’re hoping your two 1sts are late, and likely won’t come anywhere close to Eichel. You’re essentially giving up the equivalent of 4 1sts for Eichel, and the pieces you give up will never touch what Eichel does.

That’s why Buffalo is so firm on their price because they lose any Eichel trade they do. Eichel will be the best player in the trade. Unless somehow they get a kings ransom and get a prospect like Byfield, Lafreniere, Beniers or something along those lines.
Aug. 5 at 4:17 p.m.
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This package doesn't even get you Eichel's jockstrap
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Aug. 5 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: tsyls
I mean, you’re giving up assets that you likely are hoping will even sniff the level of play Eichel is at. In almost every single Eichel trade, he will be the best player. He’s a bonafide 1C in the league and when he’s on his game he’s a top 10 center.

Say the habs give up KK, Romanov and 2 1sts or something lien that. KK won’t be as good as Eichel ever, Romanov while likely becoming a really good top 4 dman won’t have the impact Eichel has. Then you’re hoping your two 1sts are late, and likely won’t come anywhere close to Eichel. You’re essentially giving up the equivalent of 4 1sts for Eichel, and the pieces you give up will never touch what Eichel does.

That’s why Buffalo is so firm on their price because they lose any Eichel trade they do. Eichel will be the best player in the trade. Unless somehow they get a kings ransom and get a prospect like Byfield, Lafreniere, Beniers or something along those lines.


Right, but IMO Suzuki is our #1 KK is our #2 and Romanov is our Corner Stone For LHD with Guhle eventually. The need for an Eichel type player is there for Montreal but his contract ties up Montreal with way to much money past the next 2-3 years when they will need to sign the young guys. To me the price isn't the problem in an eichel trade its just I see this team being able to grow around the kids they got now better then they would to build around just eichel and smaller pieces.

Eichel at 8.5 Would be amazing but McDavid Exists and he's worth his contract but that makes people think they deserve more because of it and now players like Tavares are aging while making 11 Million. They need criteria for players to earn over 10 mil cause some players earn way too much
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Aug. 5 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsRSus
Right, but IMO Suzuki is our #1 KK is our #2 and Romanov is our Corner Stone For LHD with Guhle eventually. The need for an Eichel type player is there for Montreal but his contract ties up Montreal with way to much money past the next 2-3 years when they will need to sign the young guys. To me the price isn't the problem in an eichel trade its just I see this team being able to grow around the kids they got now better then they would to build around just eichel and smaller pieces.

Eichel at 8.5 Would be amazing but McDavid Exists and he's worth his contract but that makes people think they deserve more because of it and now players like Tavares are aging while making 11 Million. They need criteria for players to earn over 10 mil cause some players earn way too much


I was just using the MTL trade as an example as to why a team would pay the asking price. I do agree Eichel isn’t the right option for MTL. But there is rational behind the idea of paying buffalos asking price.

The whole contract market is broken right now. Way too many big contracts in a flat cap world (I know it will go up a mill after this year). It’s just insane that someone like Werenski gets 9.58, Jones gets 9.5, Nurse gets 9. None of those contracts are good, and will probably age poorly, all except maybe Werenski as he’s younger and less term.

It’s just insane to me how much teams are paying some guys.
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Aug. 5 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: HabsRSus
Right, but IMO Suzuki is our #1 KK is our #2 and Romanov is our Corner Stone For LHD with Guhle eventually. The need for an Eichel type player is there for Montreal but his contract ties up Montreal with way to much money past the next 2-3 years when they will need to sign the young guys. To me the price isn't the problem in an eichel trade its just I see this team being able to grow around the kids they got now better then they would to build around just eichel and smaller pieces.

Eichel at 8.5 Would be amazing but McDavid Exists and he's worth his contract but that makes people think they deserve more because of it and now players like Tavares are aging while making 11 Million. They need criteria for players to earn over 10 mil cause some players earn way too much


I mean, agreed that players make too much, then you look at the NBA and your brain explodes. Lowry just signed a deal to make 30mil a year. Ridiculous. McDavid is likely worth more. I mean, is Marner really worth almost 11mil? NOPE. Point contract price is probably really accurate. I see a lot more players getting big money without looking at the team dynamic and impacts on getting a Stanley Cup. I think McDavid is worth his contract, but it holds the Oilers back from having a more rounded team (...also the location and especially management impact that too).
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Aug. 5 at 8:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Canuckel_head
I mean, agreed that players make too much, then you look at the NBA and your brain explodes. Lowry just signed a deal to make 30mil a year. Ridiculous. McDavid is likely worth more. I mean, is Marner really worth almost 11mil? NOPE. Point contract price is probably really accurate. I see a lot more players getting big money without looking at the team dynamic and impacts on getting a Stanley Cup. I think McDavid is worth his contract, but it holds the Oilers back from having a more rounded team (...also the location and especially management impact that too).


It makes some sense in other sports, as one player can have a much larger impact. That's just not the case in hockey. If you have a $20M player, your team will likely be worse, not better.

The $10M range should be reserved for a handful of players and 3rd/4th liners should not be getting long term deals for $4M, yet GMs hand them out like candy, and they are kind of forced to because another dummy will pay if you won't.
So instead of deals that make sense for the team and ther player, the team is expected to swallow some bad deals for short term gain.

I'd rather see a lower cap and lower prices for fans than see borderline "top line" players making almost as much as the best players in the league.
 
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