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Created by: odyssey
Initial Creation Date: Aug 5, 2021
Published: Aug 5 at 7:18
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Liljegren, Timothy2$1,000,000
Sandin, Rasmus4$3,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Parayko, Colton5$7,000,000
Stepan, Derek2$1,300,000
Campbell, Jack4$3,500,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Holl, Justin
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (SEA)
  2. 2022 4th round pick (CGY)
SEA
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
TOR
TOR
STL
SEA
CGY
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2024
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$81,136,450$0$0$363,550
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Bunting, Michael
$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$796,667
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Ritchie, Nick
$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kämpf, David
$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Amirov, Rodion
$925,000
LW
RFA - 2
Stepan, Derek
$1,300,000
C
UFA
TOR
Gogolev, Pavel
$834,167
RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$3,500,000
LD
RFA
Parayko, Colton
$7,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 8
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$3,500,000
G
UFA
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Mrázek, Petr
$3,800,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$1,500,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$1,000,000
RD
RFA

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Aug 5 at 7:31
#1
Masksaredumb
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I think you could get a 2nd from Holl and probably 2 3rds from Kerfoot.
Aug 5 at 7:57
#2
Banned
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we lost mccann to protect holl and now we trade him away for a third
Aug 5 at 8:22
#3
DroverD2
Joined: Feb 2021
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Quoting: jakeIX6
we lost mccann to protect holl and now we trade him away for a third


Yea traded mccann to keep kerfoot and holl and were trading both for a 2 3rds and a 4th. Makes sense
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Aug 5 at 8:51
#4
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Quoting: jakeIX6
we lost mccann to protect holl and now we trade him away for a third


We lost a 7th and Hallinder
Aug 5 at 8:52
#5
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
We lost a 7th and Hallinder


no we lost mccann in order to protect holl. and now we give him away for a third
Aug 5 at 9:12
#6
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Quoting: jakeIX6
no we lost mccann in order to protect holl. and now we give him away for a third


That's a dumb way to look at it. We got McCann for a 7th a B prospect. We did so to protect Holl who has been effective and makes 2 million, knowing we could lose McCann or Kerfoot. Similar players making somewhat close money. It ended up being McCann and that meant we kept our roster intact. So the best way to look at the expansion draft is we lost a 7th and Hallinder. A very small price.
Aug 5 at 9:14
#7
Banned
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the cost is irrevelant. we finally got a decent trade that favors our team and we lose the guy for nothing
Aug 5 at 9:14
#8
Banned
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saying we lost hallinder and a 7th is a way to feel better about the situation. what we lost was mccan
Aug 5 at 10:47
#9
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Quoting: jakeIX6
no we lost mccann in order to protect holl. and now we give him away for a third


Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
That's a dumb way to look at it. We got McCann for a 7th a B prospect. We did so to protect Holl who has been effective and makes 2 million, knowing we could lose McCann or Kerfoot. Similar players making somewhat close money. It ended up being McCann and that meant we kept our roster intact. So the best way to look at the expansion draft is we lost a 7th and Hallinder. A very small price.

Not protecting a player of this caliber is a fireable offense

Aug 5 at 10:55
#10
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: Db1899
Not protecting a player of this caliber is a fireable offense



McCann is just another depth guy. Not much separates him from Kerfoot and losing a top 4 defenceman who has played great with Muzzin to keep a depth forward that can be easily replaceable is stupid. This is classic bending reality to justify your hatred of the leafs. All because Lou sucks
Aug 5 at 10:59
#11
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
McCann is just another depth guy. Not much separates him from Kerfoot and losing a top 4 defenceman who has played great with Muzzin to keep a depth forward that can be easily replaceable is stupid. This is classic bending reality to justify your hatred of the leafs. All because Lou sucks


Why are choosing to ignore the facts? The charts are right there. Kerfoot sucks, he’s a 4th liner. Holl is not a top 4 defenseman, he gets carried by Muzzin.

I don’t hate the leafs, I just think Dubas is a trash GM. His moves over the last year have been awful. He’s wasting Matthews prime years, which is why he’ll probably walk.
Aug 5 at 11:04
#12
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
McCann is just another depth guy. Not much separates him from Kerfoot and losing a top 4 defenceman who has played great with Muzzin to keep a depth forward that can be easily replaceable is stupid. This is classic bending reality to justify your hatred of the leafs. All because Lou sucks


Depth guy Jared McCann was on pace for 61 points last season with incredible underlying metrics. Kerfoot was on pace for 33 points with awful underlying metrics. They are not comparable
Aug 5 at 11:18
#13
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Quoting: Db1899
Why are choosing to ignore the facts? The charts are right there. Kerfoot sucks, he’s a 4th liner. Holl is not a top 4 defenseman, he gets carried by Muzzin.

I don’t hate the leafs, I just think Dubas is a trash GM. His moves over the last year have been awful. He’s wasting Matthews prime years, which is why he’ll probably walk.


I love these responses, Kerfoot is trash because people want him to be. He's bounced all over the lineup and has been able to help out all over the place. Hasn't scored as many points as some had hoped but he's good defensively. Is very fast and can play anywhere in the lineup. He doesn't suck, but he isn't a star. Just a decent depth guy. Good enough and he did have a terrific playoffs.

Holl gets carried by Muzzin, sure whatever man. Doesn't take away from the fact he is absolutely effective with Muzzin. He's big, can skate and doesn't hurt you at all. Of course you'll hit back and say something like, he's no Hedman, like that is a reasonable response. Trashing a guy because he isn't something while ignoring what he is, is just typical.

You think Dubas is trash likely for 2 reasons, one he is doing things differently than pretty much all the other GM's and also you like are one of the many who blame him for stuff that was completely not his fault. Like the Marleau trade, yeah he paid a hefty fee to move him, thanks Lou for signing him.
Aug 5 at 11:19
#14
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Quoting: Db1899
Depth guy Jared McCann was on pace for 61 points last season with incredible underlying metrics. Kerfoot was on pace for 33 points with awful underlying metrics. They are not comparable


Neither does much without better linemates. McCann will show what he's made of this season in Seattle and it won't be anything special.
Aug 5 at 11:27
#15
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I love these responses, Kerfoot is trash because people want him to be. He's bounced all over the lineup and has been able to help out all over the place. Hasn't scored as many points as some had hoped but he's good defensively. Is very fast and can play anywhere in the lineup. He doesn't suck, but he isn't a star. Just a decent depth guy. Good enough and he did have a terrific playoffs.

Holl gets carried by Muzzin, sure whatever man. Doesn't take away from the fact he is absolutely effective with Muzzin. He's big, can skate and doesn't hurt you at all. Of course you'll hit back and say something like, he's no Hedman, like that is a reasonable response. Trashing a guy because he isn't something while ignoring what he is, is just typical.

You think Dubas is trash likely for 2 reasons, one he is doing things differently than pretty much all the other GM's and also you like are one of the many who blame him for stuff that was completely not his fault. Like the Marleau trade, yeah he paid a hefty fee to move him, thanks Lou for signing him.


No I think Dubas is trash because he does things the same way as many old school GMs (overpay for grit, doesn’t have a clear direction) . Overpaid Simmonds, gave up a 1st for 4th liner nick Foligno. The Rittich trade was terrible, Exposed McCann in the expansion draft. Dubas is not this forward thinking analytical GM. He’s a lot closer to Brian Burke than Joe Sakic
Aug 5 at 11:31
#16
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Neither does much without better linemates. McCann will show what he's made of this season in Seattle and it won't be anything special.


McCann didn’t have great linemates. He played with guys like kapanen, Jeff carter, Jason zucker. McCann is better than all of them. McCann is a high end 2nd liner.
Aug 5 at 11:32
#17
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Sorry, it's kinda dumb signing Parayko for 7m.when you can't have a full lineup, Simmons on the 3rd line and Kampf and Stepan are the 3 and 4 centres.
Leafs are much better with Kerfoot, Holl and cap for another player.
Aug 5 at 11:39
#18
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Quoting: Db1899
No I think Dubas is trash because he does things the same way as many old school GMs (overpay for grit, doesn’t have a clear direction) . Overpaid Simmonds, gave up a 1st for 4th liner nick Foligno. The Rittich trade was terrible, Exposed McCann in the expansion draft. Dubas is not this forward thinking analytical GM. He’s a lot closer to Brian Burke than Joe Sakic


Goodnight sir, you are truly lost.
Aug 5 at 11:40
#19
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Quoting: Db1899
McCann didn’t have great linemates. He played with guys like kapanen, Jeff carter, Jason zucker. McCann is better than all of them. McCann is a high end 2nd liner.


Sure, or a typical middle 6 NHLer who can have a good season here and there. Doesn't matter
Aug 5 at 11:49
#20
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Sure, or a typical middle 6 NHLer who can have a good season here and there. Doesn't matter


Over the past 3 seasons McCann has been in the 94th percentile in overall impact. Dubas decided it was more important to protect a #6 D over him. That’s some sh*t that ken Holland/Jim benning would pull. Dubas went with a big unskilled defenseman over a skilled top 6 . winger . Facts
Aug 5 at 11:51
#21
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Goodnight sir, you are truly lost.


The truth hurts - Dubas is running the leafs into the ground. Almost all of his moves have been brutal
Aug 6 at 6:38
#22
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Quoting: Db1899
Over the past 3 seasons McCann has been in the 94th percentile in overall impact. Dubas decided it was more important to protect a #6 D over him. That’s some sh*t that ken Holland/Jim benning would pull. Dubas went with a big unskilled defenseman over a skilled top 6 . winger . Facts


You're ridiculous.
Aug 6 at 6:39
#23
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Quoting: Db1899
The truth hurts - Dubas is running the leafs into the ground. Almost all of his moves have been brutal


Yup just a sad little troll here
Aug 6 at 9:52
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
You're ridiculous.


What did I say that was wrong?
Aug 6 at 9:53
#25
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Yup just a sad little troll here


“Troll” to you is when someone says something you don’t like (depsite it being the truth)
 
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