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no Dvorack

Created by: Drakin1978
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 9, 2021
Published: Aug. 9, 2021
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Hate to trade with the enemy LOL but it works.

Both D are due a pay raise, Chairot will get between 4-5m and brings defense to the leafs and physicality, poehling a good prospect and a late 1st round pick

Montreal gets an offensive d-man to replace weber and probably looking for 7-8m for his next contract

Every trade involving Kerfoot seems to have the value i posted or less. Most habs fans want dvorack, me included but Kerfoot would be cheaper to acquire, and 1m less on the books and brings a very similar skill set.


let me know if i'm off base or how i would need to make this work
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,200,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (ANA)
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
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let me know if i need to adjust anything please, conversation is welcome
2.
TOR
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Poehling, Ryan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$66,871,310$597,561$1,475,000$14,628,690
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
C
UFA - 1
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
Taxi Squad
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$950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:05 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:12 p.m.
Quoting: GenXHockey
That is a horrible trade. Having Rielly for the season is worth far more.

As I’ve said dozens of times. If Rielly is looking for a reasonable contract the leafs can te sign him. If not they are better off letting him walk to ruin some other teams cap.


It's resign him for under value market or letting him walk into a weak iirc UFA LD FA pool.

If we trade him we have to weigh if the value is better than keeping him. Getting a dman back helps since you can just rely on sandin just yet. I do think there are teams out there who is willing to pay to get Rielly.

Another thing to put into thought he has a 10 team trade list. (MY BAD ITS A 10 TEAM NO TRADE LIST. Still could have Habs on it)
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:10 p.m.
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Quoting: DroverD2
It's resign him for under value market or letting him walk into a weak iirc UFA LD FA pool.

If we trade him we have to weigh if the value is better than keeping him. Getting a dman back helps since you can just rely on sandin just yet. I do think there are teams out there who is willing to pay to get Rielly.

Another thing to put into thought he has a 10 team trade list so


10 team no trade list. Probably just a typo, but just clarifying anyway.
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: DroverD2
It's resign him for under value market or letting him walk into a weak iirc UFA LD FA pool.

If we trade him we have to weigh if the value is better than keeping him. Getting a dman back helps since you can just rely on sandin just yet. I do think there are teams out there who is willing to pay to get Rielly.

Another thing to put into thought he has a 10 team trade list so


thats the kicker i dont know if he would wave to go to mtl
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
10 team no trade list. Probably just a typo, but just clarifying anyway.


I acutally thought it was only 10 team my bad. Well that point is invalid. Tho can see Rielly putting Habs on the no trade list.. MTL stinks
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Drakin1978
you laid out why you think its bad and your opinion on value of players, i'm not pouty with you. So you don't like the kerfoot trade thats fine, if you dont think anything is possible there, cool, what would you like to make the reilly trade work, in my explanation at the top of the post i did present why i think its good for leafs, Chairot is a better defender, he does log 22+ minutes, plays against top players as a top 2, in the playoffs they ran pretty much 4 d men. He is more physical will get paid less giving more flexibility. That's what prospects are prospects they are not in the lineup but could with development and he would move to near the top of your prospect depth chart for centers, if you prefer something else i'm all ears,


except chariot is not the better defender. Just because he plays big minutes doesnt mean anything when he gets slaughtered in them. He absolutly gets nuked by any forward with even the slightest bit of speed or skill. He is awful. he gets paid less because he isnt any good.
Prospects are not just prospects, some are good, some are bad, and some are mediocre. Poehling is mediocre and does not move the needle in any way shape or form.
and if you want Rielly, well then look at what Seth Jones got and turn it down a step or two because that's where the market is now. And before you say it, no Seth Jones is not near as good as his value, or significantly better than Rielly.
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:15 p.m.
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except chariot is not the better defender. Just because he plays big minutes doesnt mean anything when he gets slaughtered in them. He absolutly gets nuked by any forward with even the slightest bit of speed or skill. He is awful. he gets paid less because he isnt any good.
Prospects are not just prospects, some are good, some are bad, and some are mediocre. Poehling is mediocre and does not move the needle in any way shape or form.
and if you want Rielly, well then look at what Seth Jones got and turn it down a step or two because that's where the market is now. And before you say it, no Seth Jones is not near as good as his value, or significantly better than Rielly.


I do think if we're talking just futures leafs can get more but we would have a gap in defence. I think chairot is decent enough that he can fill the gap while sandin develops.

Us judging prospect is redundant since we don't know what the scouting department looks into prospects and what they look for
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:18 p.m.
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Quoting: DroverD2
I do think if we're talking just futures leafs can get more but we would have a gap in defence. I think chairot is decent enough that he can fill the gap while sandin develops.

Us judging prospect is redundant since we don't know what the scouting department looks into prospects and what they look for


except that he isnt decent enough and he's too expensive to be a bottom pairing defender. Expensive and bad makes him a salary dump in the trade not an asset.
and if we cant evaluate prospects then we cant evaluate players because we dont know what the proscouting department likes and what they look for. Pretending these departments are infallible or even logical
and we need to pay homage to what they may or may not think isnt relevant when there are gms out there who think duncan keith and ryan reeves are worth assets
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.
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Quoting: DroverD2
It's resign him for under value market or letting him walk into a weak iirc UFA LD FA pool.

If we trade him we have to weigh if the value is better than keeping him. Getting a dman back helps since you can just rely on sandin just yet. I do think there are teams out there who is willing to pay to get Rielly.

Another thing to put into thought he has a 10 team trade list. (MY BAD ITS A 10 TEAM NO TRADE LIST. Still could have Habs on it)


I said fair deal. Not below market value. I think that also hinges on how Sandin and Dermott play.

Teams will not at you what a contending team needs for a puck mover that can eat 25min is worth for 1 season. Which surprise surprise… is exactly what the leafs would need if they moved Rielly.
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Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Drakin1978
useless comment that adds no value to the discussion at least if people don't agree they are giving constructive feedback

thanks for dropping by


U want constructive feedback? Ok. This trade is terrible for Toronto because chiarot is not what Toronto needs at all. He is a kind of shutdown physical defenceman who they already have in Muzzin, and now they have no good offensive puck overs, like they would’ve had in keeping rielly. Phoeling is not gonna fit in the leafs lineup either. It only makes them much worse.
Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:23 p.m.
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Quoting: GenXHockey
I said fair deal. Not below market value. I think that also hinges on how Sandin and Dermott play.

Teams will not give you more than what a contending team would for a puck mover that can eat 25min is worth for 1 season. Which surprise surprise… is exactly what the leafs would need if they moved Rielly.
Aug. 10, 2021 at 8:37 a.m.
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Im late but still

Kerfoot wouldn't be bad, He'd Push KK enough that if he wasn't consistent he'd lose the 2C spot.

Rielly Value seems alright but I wouldn't want to pay him more then 6 mil his stats are inflated by playing with good forwards a deal around 4x5.750 would be fair IMO
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Aug. 10, 2021 at 10:40 a.m.
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its funny there is a new thread where a leafs fan is offering keerfoot to the canes for a worst package and the thread is a lot less toxic than this one. Chairot isn't a bottom pairing d-man, poehling is a mid level prospect and could probably be replaced with a better prospect (d prospect even?) reilly would probably not pick montreal to go to but he has a 10 team no trade list and there are definitely 10 worst teams than mtl so they might not be on his list of 10. Who replaces keerfoot in the lineup? Kamph and spezza as the 4c i don't know but they have more players than they can dress in their lineup to get to the 23man active and 20 dressed.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/502304 (is the other thread)
 
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