Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
When Pasta signed that deal, he had only one good season there is a risk he couldn't do it again ! We'll see how it falls out but for now votes are 66-7
No one, and I mean no one, thought Pasta or Jake was a "fluke." Everyone knew they were getting a legit player there with a high ceiling. Now they didn't know how high which is why they got 6 mil deals. The doubts on that ceiling explain the ceiling on those cap hits. And that's the exact point I'm making here. There really isn't near the same ceiling here. You have to be cognizant of that. No one is mistaking vrana for either. But in 2 years basically of cap increases your saying the price on a mid 20 goal winger is 5+, and I'm saying over pay. The ceiling ain't there.
Quoting: BCAPP
Vrana is one of the best es goal scorers in the game. He's gotten minimal pp minutes and not that many es minutes either.
Over the last three years he is tied for the 7th most even strength goals in the entire league
http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evGoals&page=0&pageSize=100
Moves up to third if you look at per 60
For the last 3 years He's averaged 2 mins of power play time per game. He has 0 goals.
We can go round and round on that. But his zone starts on the PP in those 3 years was never below 94%.
So you can say, he didn't get time, or we can say, he didn't do anything with the time he got.
Clearly OV was the guy there for WSH. There is no debate about that. But it's not like he got no time, or that the time was starting in the DZone or whatever.
No one is saying that Vrana is not a good player. Lets be clear on that. But he's not a center piece guy.
He had a lot of help in WSH. He also got a lot of preferential zone time. He's well over 70% his last 2 years.
At no time in his stint in WSH did he ever reach ore than piece status. He was always a cog not the wheel.
He had help from Backstrom, Kuzy, Oshie, WIlson. That's not a bad supporting cast to help a player.
And while he played well in DET for his 11 games, truth is, someone there has to score. Teams aren't just going to let every game be lopsided 8-0. Not only is it bad blood but it looks bad for the league. So you get guys, like Dzingle, who put up really good numbers in OTT for a short amount of time. Cashed in, and then the realization that he wasn't that.
It's the bad team effect.
And while I realize you want to say, "this guy is the real deal" the truth is, he's a good player, but he's not a 5+ million player.
While he may put up points in DET, those points are suspect as hell. Much like Dzingles were.
He had a lot of time in WSH to show he was more than a 20 some goal guy and a consistent goal scorer.
He's a net between 20-30 guy. As a UFA that might land you 5 as teams bid on you, see the Hyman deal as he was on a 30 goal pace last year as a support cast player.
But as an RFA, it shouldn't have. This deal should have come in less. Should have been in the 4 mil range.