What is that kaprizov trade

1) Gardiner needs back surgery and will be out for the year. He's a non-entity. Miller isn't worth 2 2nds

2) You have badly underdone the Kaprizov trade, and this likely ends up costing Trocheck and Necas with no cap space options

What do you mean by that? You think it's an overpay?

I hope people understand that Kaprizov is not a guy you want on your team. He’s gonna dip in free agency the first chance he gets. There are so many players better than him that will be cheaper. What kind of 25 year old rookie turns down a 9 million dollar contract just because he wants to hit free agency and make even more. He’s in it for the money and the money only. Don’t waste your futures on a guy who ain’t gonna return unless you pay him like McDavid

MASSIVE underpay

Massive underpay

I actually think it’s pretty close without retention. I think the Wild would like to swap Suzuki for one of those 1sts but I like the value for both sides.

What is Colin Miller worth?

After the year he had in Buffalo, maybe a 3rd straight up... that would be with a bidding war. You could probably get him for a 4th or 5th

Maybe that’s true. He may just not want to live in minny long term too tho, who knows. Either way, a deal like this makes sense for a few teams, Carolina potentially being one. They need an upgrade in their top 6 and he’s definitely that. They’re entering their cup window prime so why not take a chance on Kaprizov for 2-3 years and who cares if he leaves if it gives you a couple shots at raising a cup.

I don’t disagree that there are other options and they might be cheaper. He also probably wouldn’t sign a deal this low in Carolina either so doubt it realistic but if he did I would do this as a Canes fan 10/10.

I wonder if Miller's role with the Sabres may improve with liability Ristolainen gone. The Sabres could use help long term in right defensemen.

If we did 2x9 I think they could make it work - 5.2 coming off for Nino, most of which goes to Necas on a bridge deal. Troch probably gets an offer up to 5.5AAV from canes FO. Idk if that’ll keep him here or not but if it does that’s less than 1M you need to find to keep him which you can easily do with somebody like Cole or Miller (in this situation, I agree he doesn’t make sense for us) coming off and being replaced by Sellgren.

Not sure about the trade value for Kaprizov - tough to pin down if he really can’t come to terms with Minny I suppose it’s better for them to get something for him rather than nothing. If that package is what it takes and we had an agreement in place with him then I’d take it.

I do think you’re 1.5-2M short on a short term deal tho. I think 2x9-9.5 would be more realistic which you should still be able to fit in here.

Miller doesn’t make sense for the Canes tho. They already have 8 1-way D contracts for next year. Gardiner can be moved to LTIR with a potential back surgery coming up or you can dump him somewhere for the sake of argument. You can put TDA in on the right side instead of Miller and 7D is B. Smith.

I don’t think this is realistic largely bc Kaprizov probably wants to play in NYC or Florida so idk why he’d choose to come to Carolina but if this was an option I’d gladly take it.

I respectfully disagree. Kaprizov is basically a 4 year rental before he jumps ship for the highest bidder. He's not gonna be on a team friendly contract and is gonna milk the team for every dollar like Nylander and Marner. He'll also set a precident for the other young players on the team much like Tavares' contracts did for Toronto's 3 young stars.

The reason why I think it's worth it for Carolina is that they are trying to compete now and he fills a big need that I think can push them over the top.



That seems fair if you let Carolina have the pick between whether they keep the 2022 pick or 2022 pick.



Not sure the market for defencemen is kind of crazy right now. In this post I valued him with retention as being worth a 2nd round pick. The other 2nd is to move Gardiner's contract.

If Buffalo is willing to take less in a trade to take on Gardiner and retain half on Miller I'm all for it but I think what I posted is pretty fair for both sides.



It's a high risk, high reward trade.

The kaprizov deal is bunch of trash. Dominik isn't good, and he's not making NHL. Late 1st round picks doesn't mean Jack squat. Kaprizov can be kept for 3 years

2 firsts and a B+ prospect who's projecting out well and continuing to develop well isn't trash. I agree that that's not enough value but disagree that any of those pieces are "trash".

I'd be willing to give up Suzuki instead of one of the "late" 1sts.

The problem is that Kaprizov is gonna milk the team for every dollar he can get and isn't gonna be on a discount contract. Rumors are a KHL team offered him an 8 figure contract (which would be tax free).

At this point the Wild might lose him for nothing as he plays the next 3 years in the KHL.

I'm not sure what you're expecting to get back in a trade for Kaprizov.

I’d take the rumors with a grain of salt. If Kap doesn’t play in the NHL the until he gets to UFA, he probably loses out on 10-20 mil on his UFA deal. Yeah, he might have a 10 mil one year deal for him in the K but the extra 2 mil he would get would cost him in the long term.

It’s more about getting him signed and then figuring it out.

Don't forget Russian players don't pay taxes on the money they make in the KHL whereas taxes here are probably 40-50% so he actually makes an extra 5 million signing in the KHL. I'm pretty sure that teams would still be willing to pay him the same amount if he spends a year lighting it up in the KHL.

Kaprizov is basically asking for UFA money in contract negotiations with the Wild and he has the leverage to do so with the big KHL contract.

I’ll disagree with you here, and that’s fine. He’s already proven he’s too good for the K. Teams will offer him 10 mil AAV in UFA if he stays in Russia whereas I think he could get 12 if he continues in the NHL. On a 7 year deal, that’s 14 mil. Not nothing.

If he only cared about maxing his income he'd just stay in the KHL.

I think he wants to play in the NHL but wants to maximize his earnings. If he takes a 4 year deal he'd be 28 and ready to get a huge 7 or 8 year deal.

The 7 or 8 year deal that Minnesota wants would take him to age 31 or 32. I don't see many 31 or 32 year olds getting massive 7 or 8 year extensions.

Now he's just pointing out to the Wild that he's not desperate to stay in NA if they aren't gonna pay him what he thinks he's worth taking away most of their RFA leverage.

It's bs agenda by his agent which is why he why he let out rumors of 1 year.

His team is broke, and can't give him that contract. Also that league has a cap of like 7 mil. So no, wild still has all the leverage. People close to kaprizov said to wild beat writer whose traveling to Russia that kaprizov is preparing to play for wild

Wild already offered him 9.5mil so what you are saying is wrong. It's not about money

Did you read what I wrote. I already said it's not about money.

Still what was the 9.5M for? 8 years? Taking a long term deal hurts his earning potential.