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Scandella

Created by: TheJoeMan
Initial Creation Date: Aug 10, 2021
Published: Aug 10 at 5:02
Team: 2021-22 Anaheim Ducks
Team Explanation
It's time to cut bait on Steel and Larsson. Steel is a third-line center, which is fine, but so is Lundestrom, who is better in that position. I've absolutely had it with Larsson and would like to see a vet like Scandella take his spot.

I was also looking at Edmundson from Montreal and Pettersson from Pittsburgh but I like Scandella's offensive game more. His age and term scare me a bit but his cap hit is decent.

This COULD be a playoff team if we're healthy and these new coaches breathe some friggin' life into our special teams. A full season out of Zegras and Drysdale is exciting, not to mention the potential of Lindholm, Manson, and Rakell going off in contract years.

Here's to everything going just right!
Trades
1.
ANA
  1. Scandella, Marco
STL
  1. Steel, Sam
  2. Larsson, Jacob
Buyouts
  • Corey Perry: $2,000,000
  • Simon Despres: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
TOR
NSH
2023
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
2024
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ANA
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$70,501,625$0$3,200,000$10,998,375
Left WingCenterRight Wing
ANA
Comtois, Maxime
$2,037,500
LW
RFA - 2
ANA
Zegras, Trevor
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
ANA
Terry, Troy
$1,450,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
ANA
Rakell, Rickard
$3,789,444
RW, LW
UFA - 1
ANA
Getzlaf, Ryan
$3,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
ANA
Silfverberg, Jakob
$5,250,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
ANA
Henrique, Adam
$5,825,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
ANA
Lundeström, Isac
$874,125
LW, C
RFA - 1
ANA
Jones, Max
$1,295,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
ANA
Volkov, Alexander
$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
ANA
Grant, Derek
$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
ANA
Deslauriers, Nicolas
$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
ANA
Lindholm, Hampus
$5,205,556
LD
UFA - 1
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Gibson, John
$6,400,000
G
NTC
UFA - 6
ANA
Fowler, Cam
$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 5
ANA
Shattenkirk, Kevin
$3,900,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
ANA
Stolarz, Anthony
$950,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Scandella, Marco
$3,275,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
ANA
Drysdale, Jamie
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
ANA
Milano, Sonny
$1,700,000
LW
RFA - 1
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
$6,875,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
ANA
Guhle, Brendan
$800,000
LD
RFA - 1

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Aug 10 at 5:10
#1
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Assuming Blues can find another LHD somewhere they accept
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Aug 10 at 5:11
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Assuming Blues can find another LHD somewhere they accept


Blues accept no matter what
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Aug 10 at 5:33
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Deal
Aug 10 at 6:34
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mokumboi
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The Blues may be up to deal Scandella, but Larsson is not helping this offer at all and Steel is only mildly interesting. I don't know what these other guys are on about.
Aug 10 at 6:39
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster
Assuming Blues can find another LHD somewhere they accept


Another LHD in addition to Larsson? I figured that's who would take Scandella's spot, though not provide nearly the same kind of game.
Aug 10 at 6:42
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Quoting: mokumboi
The Blues may be up to deal Scandella, but Larsson is not helping this offer at all and Steel is only mildly interesting. I don't know what these other guys are on about.


I waffled a bit on adding to it. But with Scandella's age and term plus how young Steel and Larsson are, not to mention being former first rounders, this seemed pretty fair to me. In fact, I'm waiting for my fellow Ducks fans to chime in about it being too much.
Aug 10 at 7:27
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Quoting: TheJoeMan
I waffled a bit on adding to it. But with Scandella's age and term plus how young Steel and Larsson are, not to mention being former first rounders, this seemed pretty fair to me. In fact, I'm waiting for my fellow Ducks fans to chime in about it being too much.


Like I said, Larsson is of no value to the Blues. They already have other LDs better than him, and now Perunovich is ready to go, too. Steel could be of mild use, but Scandella is highly useful to the team. It doesn;t help the Blues any, even if the raw value may seem sufficient.
Aug 10 at 7:44
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Quoting: TheJoeMan
Another LHD in addition to Larsson? I figured that's who would take Scandella's spot, though not provide nearly the same kind of game.


The Blues need a top four defenseman to pair with Parayko. Scandella can do it in a pinch but he's not a long term solution there, and obviously neither is Larsson. I'm fine with having Larsson on the team as a depth option but he's not going to be that guy. Ironically the guy I would like to have for that is Marcus Pettersson, who I know is a guy you ruled out.

Quoting: mokumboi
Like I said, Larsson is of no value to the Blues. They already have other LDs better than him, and now Perunovich is ready to go, too. Steel could be of mild use, but Scandella is highly useful to the team. It doesn;t help the Blues any, even if the raw value may seem sufficient.


The return of Larsson shouldn't be a consequence you're spending any time on in this deal. It's a depth defenseman that you can bury all but 75k in the minors with, and that's a guy we would have loved to have last year with all the injuries we had on defense. Steel is a solid prospect on an ELC and I'm not sure what version of Scandella is useful to this team, especially at that cap hit. The cap flexibility alone is a big win. This is a good deal for the Blues.
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Aug 10 at 9:39
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This is a very intriguing idea. I, too, have lost faith that Larsson is going to be a top-4 defenseman, and there have been times in the past two years when I wondered whether Sam is ever going to fulfill the promise of his draft-year 131 points. Because we now have two prime prospects at center that have already surpassed Steel in expectation, this is the very kind of farsighted deal that might turn out VERY well in the next couple of seasons. People may not agree with it, or your evaluation of the three players concerned, but this shows some real good vision.
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Aug 11 at 4:37
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Quoting: TheEarthmaster

The return of Larsson shouldn't be a consequence you're spending any time on in this deal. It's a depth defenseman that you can bury all but 75k in the minors with, and that's a guy we would have loved to have last year with all the injuries we had on defense.

Steel is a solid prospect on an ELC...

and I'm not sure what version of Scandella is useful to this team, especially at that cap hit.

The cap flexibility alone is a big win. This is a good deal for the Blues.



1- At the very least, Larsson should be considered 1.2M they'd have to pay and/or account for on the cap. As such, I noted that adding Larsson subtracts from the offer, which is obviously true. He's wretched and all the Ducks fans here are saying he's pure trash. Larsson would be of no good use whatsoever, and would have been of no good use last season.

2- Steel is nearly 24 now, he is no longer a prospect. He's just a average-to-subpar 3C who is small and bordering on slow. And has one ELC year left, not a great boon or anything.

3- Scandella has strength, skates well and stands up the line. He moves the puck reasonably safely and understands the system already. Cap hit or not, he's obviously useful and it's not hard to see.

4- The cap flexibility is a good thing, but would have been far more useful a few weeks ago. It does absolutely nothing to help us actually win games now (or, quite possibly, in the future). This is not how the team operates. If there was another squad strengthening move to run behind it, sure. As is, I'd definitely find a better solution. This is not the only way to gain some cap flexibility.
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Aug 11 at 12:33
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Quoting: mokumboi
1- At the very least, Larsson should be considered 1.2M they'd have to pay and/or account for on the cap. As such, I noted that adding Larsson subtracts from the offer, which is obviously true. He's wretched and all the Ducks fans here are saying he's pure trash. Larsson would be of no good use whatsoever, and would have been of no good use last season.

2- Steel is nearly 24 now, he is no longer a prospect. He's just a average-to-subpar 3C who is small and bordering on slow. And has one ELC year left, not a great boon or anything.

3- Scandella has strength, skates well and stands up the line. He moves the puck reasonably safely and understands the system already. Cap hit or not, he's obviously useful and it's not hard to see.

4- The cap flexibility is a good thing, but would have been far more useful a few weeks ago. It does absolutely nothing to help us actually win games now (or, quite possibly, in the future). This is not how the team operates. If there was another squad strengthening move to run behind it, sure. As is, I'd definitely find a better solution. This is not the only way to gain some cap flexibility.


It's extremely funny to me that you say Larsson is wretched and Scandella is useful when their profiles are extremely similar. Is it ideal to take Larsson back? It's not, but we would be shedding ten million in salary by getting rid of the rest of the Scandella deal, so taking Larsson back for a year and paying him 1.3M is, in the grand scheme of things, not a big deal for a team that's publicly committed to spending to the cap. And then you can just not qualify him next year.

I mean I said in my original comment it only makes sense if the Blues can use the cap space to find a different LHD. I'm not under any illusions that Steel is going to be a top six player on the Blues but he still has upside and he's cheap and I don't know how you can claim Scandella, a below average player making 3.25, is useful and then claim an NHL bottom six player making basically league minimum is not. Like, what do you think Marco Scandella is worth? Because it's not much more than that. I don't see a whole lot of mock rosters of people actively wanting Scandella.

He's useful in-so-far that he's an NHL body with experience in the Blues system, I guess. I feel like the bare minimum of an NHL defenseman is "skates, is strong, and stands up the line". Distinguishing that as some kind of pro is I guess technically true but like it's hardly worth mentioning. Scandella's skill is his puck movement and ability to break out rush chances, but he does this at the expense of solid work in his own end and depending on your mileage on Faulk three other defensemen on this team already fit that description and do it better than him. Perunovich could make a fourth.

Obviously I'm not arguing against the Blues seeking out a better deal but like I just feel like expecting there to be a line around the block willing to pony up for Marco Scandella and the ten million dollars he's still owed with the limited skillset he offers is wishful thinking.
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Aug 11 at 1:01
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Quoting: mokumboi
1- At the very least, Larsson should be considered 1.2M they'd have to pay and/or account for on the cap. As such, I noted that adding Larsson subtracts from the offer, which is obviously true. He's wretched and all the Ducks fans here are saying he's pure trash. Larsson would be of no good use whatsoever, and would have been of no good use last season.

2- Steel is nearly 24 now, he is no longer a prospect. He's just a average-to-subpar 3C who is small and bordering on slow. And has one ELC year left, not a great boon or anything.

3- Scandella has strength, skates well and stands up the line. He moves the puck reasonably safely and understands the system already. Cap hit or not, he's obviously useful and it's not hard to see.

4- The cap flexibility is a good thing, but would have been far more useful a few weeks ago. It does absolutely nothing to help us actually win games now (or, quite possibly, in the future). This is not how the team operates. If there was another squad strengthening move to run behind it, sure. As is, I'd definitely find a better solution. This is not the only way to gain some cap flexibility.


Would throwing in a pick or even another depth d-man sweeten the pot? I feel like there's a deal to be made here. Also, I feel like your underestimating Steel a bit. I think, as Ducks fans, our expectations went a little crazy after his post-draft year in the Dub when he put up insane numbers so seeing his progression being where it is has felt underwhelming. But he's a good player and I think he might even flourish in another system. I fear he realizes his true potential with another team a la William Karlsson but I'm willing to risk that to maximize his value now instead of watching him run into the ground the someone like Peter Holland did (a player, thankfully, Bob Murray knew to get good value back before it was too late).
Aug 12 at 4:41
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mokumboi
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Quoting: TheJoeMan
Would throwing in a pick or even another depth d-man sweeten the pot? I feel like there's a deal to be made here. Also, I feel like your underestimating Steel a bit. I think, as Ducks fans, our expectations went a little crazy after his post-draft year in the Dub when he put up insane numbers so seeing his progression being where it is has felt underwhelming. But he's a good player and I think he might even flourish in another system. I fear he realizes his true potential with another team a la William Karlsson but I'm willing to risk that to maximize his value now instead of watching him run into the ground the someone like Peter Holland did (a player, thankfully, Bob Murray knew to get good value back before it was too late).


1- Which depth defenseman?
2- You are drastically overrating Steel. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he's anywhere near Karlsson. He's a middling 3C at this point. Besides, the Blues don;t need any more pass first players.
Aug 12 at 12:13
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Quoting: mokumboi
1- Which depth defenseman?
2- You are drastically overrating Steel. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he's anywhere near Karlsson. He's a middling 3C at this point. Besides, the Blues don;t need any more pass first players.


1. Guhle, Benoit, or Mahura. We don't need all three of them in our system, especially with some of the rooks we have coming up.
2. That's exactly what we all said about Karlsson when he got traded to Columbus. The similarities they share at this stage in their careers is worrisome since I actively want him to be moved to maximize his value. Columbus felt that way about him too since they left him exposed in the expansion draft. That's not to say Steel will end up like Karlsson but he definitely could. I'm just more afraid he'll end up like Peter Holland but chances are in lands somewhere in the middle.
Aug 13 at 2:57
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mokumboi
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Quoting: TheJoeMan
1. Guhle, Benoit, or Mahura. We don't need all three of them in our system, especially with some of the rooks we have coming up.
2. That's exactly what we all said about Karlsson when he got traded to Columbus. The similarities they share at this stage in their careers is worrisome since I actively want him to be moved to maximize his value. Columbus felt that way about him too since they left him exposed in the expansion draft. That's not to say Steel will end up like Karlsson but he definitely could. I'm just more afraid he'll end up like Peter Holland but chances are in lands somewhere in the middle.


1- Guhle or Mahura works better than Larsson (not that this is saying much).

2- Steel does not have Karlsson's speed or size, and he's a pass first guy anyway. Steel will not be turning into Karlsson 2.0, so you can put that worry out of your head.
Aug 13 at 11:50
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Quoting: mokumboi
1- Guhle or Mahura works better than Larsson (not that this is saying much).

2- Steel does not have Karlsson's speed or size, and he's a pass first guy anyway. Steel will not be turning into Karlsson 2.0, so you can put that worry out of your head.


I really don't mean to beat a dead horse but I get the impression you didn't watch a lot of Karlsson's game when he was a Duck. He blossomed into a completely different player once he went to the Knights. It's funny, he even had a game or two where he flashed that potential much like Steel has, which got us all hyped about these guys. And they're built exactly the same. I've stood next to Wild Bill, don't let that 6' measurement fool you. He is faster than Steel though, I'll give you that.
Aug 13 at 12:03
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mokumboi
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Quoting: TheJoeMan
I really don't mean to beat a dead horse but I get the impression you didn't watch a lot of Karlsson's game when he was a Duck. He blossomed into a completely different player once he went to the Knights. It's funny, he even had a game or two where he flashed that potential much like Steel has, which got us all hyped about these guys. And they're built exactly the same. I've stood next to Wild Bill, don't let that 6' measurement fool you. He is faster than Steel though, I'll give you that.


Yeah... A LOT faster. And measurements or not, Karlsson definitely has more physical impact.
 
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