Flames arent doing that

Not even close. Monahan hasnt been good in years and is crazy over paid even at 5 mill.
No interest from toronto

Sure, Canes will take that. Can’t see either team wanting to do that Monahan/Reilly deal though.

Reason for CGY: Reilly would be rental, they need to pay Tkachuck and Gaudreau next offseason, they can get better long-term value for Monahan.

Reason for TOR: They would have a pretty rough time making the money work, and if they can’t extend Reilly, they will look to trade him for younger, cost controlled players.

As has been said before we don’t need engvall and were not sending any asset worthwhile for him. However I would like kerfoot as that middle 6 center and as a gamble for us to flip at this deadline.

I very much like that Engvall deal. Im hoping it means leafs fans are done trying to push him on Edmonton 🙂

No no please by all means. He’s all yours

Well they should lol.

I don't want Monahan, The centers we have are enough, If one gets injured, Nylander is more than capable to play the centre position, as it was the position he played in the AHL and his junior days.

Why lol? Monahan plays a way more valuable position that they cant currently replace internally. They also definitely do not need Rielly with Hanifin's breakout

It’ll be even better when, following McAvoy and Fox further mucking up the D market, he signs for more than Jones.

I would argue that he doesn’t play that position well at all.

Top 4 of

Hanafin-andersson
Rielly-tanev

That is sexy.

That who doesnt play what position well at all? Monahan or Hanifin? Monahan is coming off a basically season altering hip injury (same one that Kucherov, Pastrnak, and Seguin got) and prior to it he was one of the few Flames actually producing at a 0.5 ppg or better at EV.

I am not disagreeing with your assessment of the D core as it does look nice and complete but it also implies Calgary has given up on Valimaki who has #1D potential. All while putting an unneeded major hole in their center depth

I would give up on valimaki and Monahan. They need a real 1C. 3 players on the flames I am not a fan of. Valimaki, Tkachuk and Monahan. 3 players with perceived value that flames could use to get the players that fit.

It’s an unpopular opinion about Tkachuk but it won’t be when he is gone.

I'm all for upgrading Monahan to Eichel but trading Monahan for the sake of trading him without a replacement is still stupid, especially to fill a role that really doesn't need to be filled at all.

I'm not going to argue too much on your views on the 3 players but giving up on Valimaki is like me saying I think Toronto should give up on Sandin. Doesn't make any sense, he was a rookie last year. and stapled to Nesterov most of the season. Despite not producing as much as expected he was still a statistically positive player with an average corsi of 53.12%, and even as high as 60% when playing with Stone. He was also above replacement level with a 2.7 GAR

I don't understand why subtracting Morgan Rielly from that defense and adding Sean Monahan to that offense could possibly be considered the solution to Toronto's problems.

Hanifin didn't break out. He has been near replacement level his entire career. Losing Giordano leaves a massive hole on the Flames blueline

Rielly can fill that, pair him with Christopher Tanev and you have one of the best OFDs alongside one of the best DFDs. Tanev would allow Rielly to run free on offense without having to worry about needing to drop back as fast

Monahan has fallen off a cliff and was heavily carried by Gaudreau. This trade is an absolute steal for the Flames

Honestly you may have been the absolute last person who should have debated whether Hanifin had a breakout season or not
- Hanifin was 12th leaguewide of iCF/60 of defense with at least 500 minutes at 5v5. Post Sutter he was 9th of all dmen who played at least 20 games (~200 min)
- Also post Sutter Hanifin was 26th in p/60 at all strengths of defense who played at least 20 games (excluding Kalynuk since his minutes were very sheltered in Chicago)
- Hanifin was 68th leaguewide in GA/60 (600+ min at EV). For reference Theodore was 63rd, Gio was 65th, Weber 66th, Trouba 69th, Slavin 70th, and Rielly 118th
- He was 79th in xGA/60 leaguewide (600+ min at EV). For reference Josi was 71st, Gio 77th, Makar 78th, Chychrun 80th, Werenski 81st, Ekholm 82nd, and Rielly 143rd
- He was 78th in CF/60 (600+ min at EV). For reference Heiskanen was 71st, Gio 77th, Slavin 79th, OEL 81st, Rielly 85th.

Now before you go and say "Hanifin was carried defensively by Tanev since Tanev was 1st in both GA/60 and xGA/60" you should know that Brodie was 3rd and 19th respectively.

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As for Monahan, he was literally injured 75% of the season. He missed 2 games in the middle of February due to a "lower body" injury and never returned to form after that. Prior to the injury Monahan was pacing 62 points (around his career average) all while still having a career low shooting percentage of 5.56% at the time. Post injury Monahan was pacing 39 points. Monahan has "fallen off a cliff" just as much as much as Pettersson did this year. Injuries tend to do that

Again this trade makes no sense because Rielly is not needed as Calgary is very deep at LD and Monahan is needed as they are very shallow at center

iCF is literally just shot attempts, GA is heavily influenced by goalies, 79th in xGA is 79th. If that's the best you got, its not top pairing worthy

The Flames have Lindholm and Backlund who are both better centres than Monahan, Coleman can also play centre and I bet he can be just as good, if not better than Monahan
Rielly would easily be the Flames' best LHD

iCF is not just shot attempts and I think you are missing the point post Sutter Hanifin was better than Rielly in just about every aspect. He has a very good shot at being better than Rielly this year too.

Backlund is not better than Monahan, common sense should tell you that. If Backlund was better he would have been ahead on Monahan on the depth charts

Please tell me what iCF means?

Individual corsi for, it covers shot attempts and offensive chances created (ie high danger situations and similar)

And it values a shot attempt from the blueline the same as a shot from the inner slot