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Predicting Trade Deadline moves

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Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 18, 2021
Published: Aug. 18, 2021
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Trying to find good fits for players that may not return next season. Impossible to tell who the buyers and sellers are going to be.
Values are really hard to determine right now as each teams needs will change throughout the season and each player may excel or decline or get injured and be out.
Let me know if the values same fair or need more or less one way or the other.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,500,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Beckman, Adam
  2. Khovanov, Alexander
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (MIN)
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Not sure what the value is. Both of these guys were third round picks but I like them, one is from my hometown so that's a bonus for me.
MIN
  1. Leddy, Nick ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. 2022 4th round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
If Leddy doesn't sign an extension.
Not sure if retention is needed for Minnesota or not until they sign Kaprizov. They might want to add another piece or two as well.
Leddy could slot in right behind Brodin and this top 4 is looking pretty good.
2.
DET
  1. Beaucage, Alex
  2. Foudy, Jean-Luc
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
I think these prospects are pretty decent but shouldn't hurt Colorado in the future as they still have some good ones in the system.
COL
  1. Fabbri, Robby
  2. Namestnikov, Vladislav
  3. 2022 4th round pick (COL)
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Not sure if this is good value or not. Hard to determine what Fabbri is worth.
Again this is if he doesn't sign an extension with Detroit.
3.
DET
  1. Comrie, Eric
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Greiss, Thomas ($1,800,000 retained)
Additional Details:
If Comrie isn't cutting it and Greiss is having a bit better of a season.
4.
DET
  1. Coghlan, Dylan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 4th round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
Not sure if this guy has a future in Vegas or not, seems to get a bit neglected.
VGK
  1. Stecher, Troy
Additional Details:
Not sure if they will have the space for him at the deadline, they may need another team to retain salary.
5.
DET
  1. 2023 5th round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Gagner and Tavares are good friends, they unite for a playoff run.
TOR
  1. Gagner, Sam
Additional Details:
Toronto gets another depth forward that plays a good defensive game with some skill.
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Buried
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2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$57,143,015$0$4,651,250$24,356,985
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$2,375,000$2,375,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$318,750$319K)
C
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$737,500$737,500
C
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
RFA - 3
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$764,167$764,167 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
LD
RFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
C
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:19 p.m.
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Hard no from the wild there. Probably on the no chance at all tier. This team won’t give up prime assets for a rental who’s going to get overpaid. I would expect minimal moves from the wild at the tdl and likely no picks/prospects going out unless the return is an early 20’s player on a bridge deal. Not a category Leddy falls into.

For value sake beckman projects as a 2nd line wing with 30 goal potential and khovanov ceilings a 2C if the team can get his mediocre motivation under control. The chief scout the wild lured from Vancouver said beckman is a 1st round scorer they managed to get in the 3rd.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:22 p.m.
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I can't see the incentive for the Wild here. Two decent-to-good prospects and a 2nd for a rental who wasn't even worth anywhere near that a month ago. This is a pretty resounding no.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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Vegas has no reason to sign another bottom 6 forward. They have a ton of them that are good.
Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:25 p.m.
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We like getting depth guys go low picks. I think it will be a 2023 6th/7th with a condition on said player tho instead. Maybe not Gagner but your point it valid if true
Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:31 p.m.
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That would be a healthy profit on Leddy
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:40 p.m.
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Hard no from the wild there. Probably on the no chance at all tier. This team won’t give up prime assets for a rental who’s going to get overpaid. I would expect minimal moves from the wild at the tdl and likely no picks/prospects going out unless the return is an early 20’s player on a bridge deal. Not a category Leddy falls into.

For value sake beckman projects as a 2nd line wing with 30 goal potential and khovanov ceilings a 2C if the team can get his mediocre motivation under control. The chief scout the wild lured from Vancouver said beckman is a 1st round scorer they managed to get in the 3rd.


Didn't know that much about them. I knew they were decent, didn't realize they were expecting to be that good.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 5:41 p.m.
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Vegas has no reason to sign another bottom 6 forward. They have a ton of them that are good.


That's cool, don't even know what you are talking about?
Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:17 p.m.
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Didn't know that much about them. I knew they were decent, didn't realize they were expecting to be that good.


Yea beckman should have gone in the 1st. Khovanov is one of those “all the talent in the world, but where’s the motivation?” Players
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:25 p.m.
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Yea beckman should have gone in the 1st. Khovanov is one of those “all the talent in the world, but where’s the motivation?” Players


I don't know if it's right to say he should have gone in the first. He was a very raw prospect at the draft. Most draft eligibles out of the CHL have two, some maybe even three years in the league before the draft, Beckman only had the one. So he was adjusting to a much tougher level of competition while showcasing for the draft. He still has a lot of...flaws? For lack of a better word? That might prevent him from making the transition to the NHL. He's still pretty raw. He's making strides in the right direction though.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.
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The Jets might have a slight interest, but for the 3rd alone max maybe. They definitely wouldn't throw anything else on top for a meh backup.
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Vegas has no reason to sign another bottom 6 forward. They have a ton of them that are good.


Stecher is a defenseman something you might want to at least check next time.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:37 p.m.
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The Jets might have a slight interest, but for the 3rd alone max maybe. They definitely wouldn't throw anything else on top for a meh backup.


Personally I'd be happy with a 3rd for Greiss.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:40 p.m.
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That would be a healthy profit on Leddy


Agreed, I think Leddy brings in a late 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect. At the TDL with 50% retention every team in the playoffs will be able to afford him.
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:49 p.m.
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The Jets might have a slight interest, but for the 3rd alone max maybe. They definitely wouldn't throw anything else on top for a meh backup.


Comrie is just to fill the void and make space for the jets, if he's not playing good then no real value there
Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.
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Yea beckman should have gone in the 1st. Khovanov is one of those “all the talent in the world, but where’s the motivation?” Players


That's understandable, learning more every day here
Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:53 p.m.
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Colorado has no reason or need to make that trade. Technically they are ahead of schedule and have no pressure to make changes. Beaucage will easily be better than Fabbri and since Detroit chose to protect Smith over Namestnikov I don't see him having a whole lot of value.
Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:54 p.m.
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Comrie is just to fill the void and make space for the jets, if he's not playing good then no real value there


It's still two assets for one that probably isn't an improvement on anything the Jets have already. If Greiss needs to play, the Jets aren't going anywhere in the playoffs anyway.
Aug. 18, 2021 at 6:58 p.m.
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love the leafs getting ganger
Aug. 18, 2021 at 9:52 p.m.
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Horrible proposal. Wild don't need, want nick leddy. They already have their d locked up. Gm Guerin doesn't care about hometown player situation. Especially nick leddy age
Aug. 18, 2021 at 9:56 p.m.
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Horrible proposal. Wild don't need, want nick leddy. They already have their d locked up. Gm Guerin doesn't care about hometown player situation. Especially nick leddy age


Well I didn't realize how highly touted those prospects were but I think the fit is there. After Brodin its Kulikov and Merrill on the depth chart of they have Goligoski play the right side. More or less depends on Addison I think.
Aug. 18, 2021 at 10:09 p.m.
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Well I didn't realize how highly touted those prospects were but I think the fit is there. After Brodin its Kulikov and Merrill on the depth chart of they have Goligoski play the right side. More or less depends on Addison I think.


Incorrect...

Brodin-Dumba
Goligoski-Spurgeon
Kulikov-Merrill/Addison

Goligoski will play on the left. There's no reason for him to play on the right. Of the three, Merrill will pull that duty, not Goligoski.

Likewise, Dumba won't be moved at the tdl, there's no point to do that. If he's moved at all, it'll be next offseason. Acquiring Leddy makes zero sense.

The prospects involved have already been touched upon, so I won't get into that. But no one has touched on the fact we still have Dumba... soooooo...
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Aug. 18, 2021 at 10:30 p.m.
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Well I didn't realize how highly touted those prospects were but I think the fit is there. After Brodin its Kulikov and Merrill on the depth chart of they have Goligoski play the right side. More or less depends on Addison I think.


Huh? Not really
Jared spurgeon, Calen addison
Jonas brodin, matt dumba
Alex G, Kuliov

Guerin doesn't want old players like leddy, and leddy value right now is barely a 3rd round pick
Aug. 18, 2021 at 11:38 p.m.
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Huh? Not really
Jared spurgeon, Calen addison
Jonas brodin, matt dumba
Alex G, Kuliov

Guerin doesn't want old players like leddy, and leddy value right now is barely a 3rd round pick


Also incorrect.

So long as a player can still play; Guerin isn't opposed to either keeping, acquiring, or signing an older player. Age really has no bearing on it, so long as the player provides some other intangible benefit to offset their age and aren't looking at the Wild as some sort of working retirement plan.

Bonino was 33 when Guerin traded for him.

Cole was also 32 when Guerin traded for him as well.

Goligoski is 35, a year younger than Suter.

Kulikov is 30, hardly a spry chicken in the prime of his career either.

Unlike Parise and Staal, who both don't have much left in the tank, the players listed above can all still play effectively well at an NHL caliber level to varying degrees despite their age.

Leddy is no different than those listed above, and happens to be the same age as Kulikov, is still a legitimate Top 4 defenseman and likely won't see any major reduction in playing ability for at least another 4-5 years. He is still easily worth a c-level prospect and a 2nd round pick before retention and/or a contract extension, just not two B-level prospects as was proposed here.

Suter is different from the others because even though he can still play, there are concerns and rumors about his lockerroom culture and presence on the team. Everyone listed above minus Parise and Staal are well known to have a great lockerroom presence on top of their solid play.
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Aug. 19, 2021 at 12:25 a.m.
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Also incorrect.

So long as a player can still play; Guerin isn't opposed to either keeping, acquiring, or signing an older player. Age really has no bearing on it, so long as the player provides some other intangible benefit to offset their age and aren't looking at the Wild as some sort of working retirement plan.

Bonino was 33 when Guerin traded for him.

Cole was also 32 when Guerin traded for him as well.

Goligoski is 35, a year younger than Suter.

Kulikov is 30, hardly a spry chicken in the prime of his career either.

Unlike Parise and Staal, who both don't have much left in the tank, the players listed above can all still play effectively well at an NHL caliber level to varying degrees despite their age.

Leddy is no different than those listed above, and happens to be the same age as Kulikov, is still a legitimate Top 4 defenseman and likely won't see any major reduction in playing ability for at least another 4-5 years. He is still easily worth a c-level prospect and a 2nd round pick before retention and/or a contract extension, just not two B-level prospects as was proposed here.

Suter is different from the others because even though he can still play, there are concerns and rumors about his lockerroom culture and presence on the team. Everyone listed above minus Parise and Staal are well known to have a great lockerroom presence on top of their solid play.


So you had an intelligent response and very reasonable arguments. If Leddy were an option for Minnesota would say Beckman and a second be too much of an ask?
Aug. 19, 2021 at 1:30 a.m.
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So you had an intelligent response and very reasonable arguments. If Leddy were an option for Minnesota would say Beckman and a second be too much of an ask?


Yes because wild aren't trading a top prospect for a player who doesn't have much value left. He was a cap dump and hasn't been good
 
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