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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 23, 2021
Published: Aug. 23, 2021
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There are so many Jack trade “ideas” out there, but what do you actually think this trade will be. Really think about everything. His health, the relationship between Buffalo and Jack, 10 million cap hit, the NMC that starts 2022. Look at all the data. What will the actual trade be? This is not what Jack is worth, it is what the actual trade will be. I think said and done it’ll be a 2nd, a high prospect (not a top prospect) and an nhl player or 2. Now I think if Buffalo retains salary/takes on a “bad” contract. It could maybe add or replace the 2nd with a 1st and return a better nhl player. I don’t think a 3way works when moving Jack. What are your thoughts?
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:06 a.m.
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As hilarious it would be if Eichel went for the pennies on the dollar you are talking about, the Rangers last offer included a 1st and 3 better pieces than that, so I dont think its possible to be that low. But Adams blew right past the logical point where he had the most leverage and the return will be smaller than what he could have gotten before the draft for sure.
Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: BSpadaro83
As hilarious it would be if Eichel went for the pennies on the dollar you are talking about, the Rangers last offer included a 1st and 3 better pieces than that, so I dont think its possible to be that low. But Adams blew right past the logical point where he had the most leverage and the return will be smaller than what he could have gotten before the draft for sure.


At this point if the offer is something like this , Buffalo should take it,

Chytil
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Othmann
2022 1st
2023 conditional 2nd
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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I would assume all those ACGMs are what people think the trade will end up being
Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: csick
At this point if the offer is something like this , Buffalo should take it,

Chytil
Schneider
Othmann
2022 1st
2023 conditional 2nd


Why should Buffalo take that, it doesnt address any need and gives him away to a team in their conference, Makes 0 sense
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:22 a.m.
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Why should Buffalo take that, it doesnt address any need and gives him away to a team in their conference, Makes 0 sense


Because he is never playing for your team again, he might be damaged goods, your owner is a cheapskate, your GM gave up all his leverage points and there is no one out there making an offer for him that comes close to what the Rangers are going to offer and nothing that is going to happen to force Drury to up his offer lol.
Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:25 a.m.
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I think we’re all waiting for Eichel to sue the Sabres
Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: BSpadaro83
Because he is never playing for your team again, he might be damaged goods, your owner is a cheapskate, your GM gave up all his leverage points and there is no one out there making an offer for him that comes close to what the Rangers are going to offer and nothing that is going to happen to force Drury to up his offer lol.


So, the Rangers arent entitled to him and there are 30 other teams in the league, some who have put up offers similar to the Rangers. Sabre fans would rather he went to Russia for the next 5 years. No return is better than a $hit return and having that cloud hang over the franchise and players they got in exchange for him. Address the Sabres needs or waste 5 years of Eichels prime.
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.
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I think we’re all waiting for Eichel to sue the Sabres


He should, but I think he has to sue the NHL and would probably lose because the NHLPA signed the CBA that caused this mess. No institution should be able to control what you do with your body
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.
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Why should Buffalo take that, it doesnt address any need and gives him away to a team in their conference, Makes 0 sense


Wait untill they say that he goes to Russia and signs a 10 mil deal with CSKA (I understand your feelings bro).
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
I think we’re all waiting for Eichel to sue the Sabres


Blues doctors appear to have ruined Tarasenko's career. No lawsuits though.
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Aero_Astro_Guy
Wait untill they say that he goes to Russia and signs a 10 mil deal with CSKA (I understand your feelings bro).


I want him to go to Kunlun, but CSKA is most likely
Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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I think that the offer will be something along the lines of a 2022 first-round pick, a warm body to fill a center slot opened up by Eichel's departure, a decent roster player, an excellent prospect (probably a center and probably not a LD), and perhaps a cap-leveling contract. (Some of those elements may be combined.) For example, any trade with Anaheim would have to involve Adam Henrique (or, less likely, Jakob Silfverberg) going back. And no, cap-strapped Las Vegas is not going to include one of their least-expensive NHL-quality defensemen (Zach Whitecloud or Nicholas Hague) in an Eichel trade unless their front office has REALLY lost its mind.
Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I want him to go to Kunlun, but CSKA is most likely


Oh yeah, they play at Mytishy cause no one wanna house them in China. Thats what I call a bad management.
Aug. 23, 2021 at 12:47 p.m.
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Oh yeah, they play at Mytishy cause no one wanna house them in China. Thats what I call a bad management.


Yet Bettman skipped Korea, much larger hockey fan base, for the always deceiving Chinese market. BuT ThEy HaVe A bIlLiOn PeOpLe
Aug. 23, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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So, the Rangers arent entitled to him and there are 30 other teams in the league, some who have put up offers similar to the Rangers. Sabre fans would rather he went to Russia for the next 5 years. No return is better than a $hit return and having that cloud hang over the franchise and players they got in exchange for him. Address the Sabres needs or waste 5 years of Eichels prime.


Lol your response is laughable. Name me another team right now that has better assets to offer than what the Rangers have already offered and the cap space to take him on this season. I think the last reported offer was something like 2022 1st, Strome, Zac Jones and one of Chytil/Kravtsov. No one else is coming close to that and all you have is a ticking time bomb going into camp. You think the Pegula's are just gonna pay him $10m a year for 5 years knowing he never plays for them again? You think it gets easier to trade him when his NMC kicks in? You only fooling yourself if you think the Sabres have any leverage left here. Once the Kings signed Danault, your chance of a bidding war went up in smoke.
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: BSpadaro83
Lol your response is laughable. Name me another team right now that has better assets to offer than what the Rangers have already offered and the cap space to take him on this season. I think the last reported offer was something like 2022 1st, Strome, Zac Jones and one of Chytil/Kravtsov. No one else is coming close to that and all you have is a ticking time bomb going into camp. You think the Pegula's are just gonna pay him $10m a year for 5 years knowing he never plays for them again? You think it gets easier to trade him when his NMC kicks in? You only fooling yourself if you think the Sabres have any leverage left here. Once the Kings signed Danault, your chance of a bidding war went up in smoke.


If you keep pretending we want your D prospects any team that offers a decent forward prospect beats ny hands down. Address the Sabres needs, thats literally all we have been asking
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Aug. 23, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
If you keep pretending we want your D prospects any team that offers a decent forward prospect beats ny hands down. Address the Sabres needs, thats literally all we have been asking


I not totally against a right handed d as part of the deal, but forwards should be the priority. I see zac jones and its immediately a pass. Also, i think when this whole mess started, the rangers were favorites because of obvious need, good prospects, and history. If all of the good pieces are off limits, and we only get left d that we dont need and cant use, then whats the point? At this point would adams and pegula even want to trade him to the rangers?
Aug. 23, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
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Seeing as Adams declined Krebs, Hague, Smith, and a 1st for Eichel with some amount of retention then there is no way he will settle for less. It will be a top prospect, 1-2 roster players, at least one 1st and probably another pick or prospect
Aug. 24, 2021 at 9:35 a.m.
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Seeing as Adams declined Krebs, Hague, Smith, and a 1st for Eichel with some amount of retention then there is no way he will settle for less. It will be a top prospect, 1-2 roster players, at least one 1st and probably another pick or prospect


But thats the point of this whole thing that seems to be soaring over your heads. Adams passed on offers that dont exist anymore. Vegas went out and signed people and acquired Dadonov. They cant just magic 10m in cap space between now and opening night, unless buffalo takes a ton of salary back to make it work. Which means the package you are quoting surely doesnt exist as an option anymore, and is lowered. Adams overplayed his hand, teams made other adjustments and now instead of NYR, LAK, VGK and others all bidding on Eichel, its just the NYR left. So why would Drury raise his offer? Show me one point of leverage Adams has left? Did you read the Vogl article in the Athletic? Was good stuff.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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Quoting: BSpadaro83
...the Rangers last offer included a 1st and 3 better pieces than that, so I dont think its possible to be that low...
Quoting: csick
At this point if the offer is something like this: Chytil, Schneider, Othmann,2022 1st, 2023 conditional 2nd
Quoting: OldNYIfan
...2022 first-round pick, a warm body to fill a center slot opened up by Eichel's departure, a decent roster player, an excellent prospect (probably a center and probably not a LD), and perhaps a cap-leveling contract...
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I not totally against a right handed d as part of the deal, but forwards should be the priority...quote]
Quoting: Skyraider112
Seeing as Adams declined Krebs, Hague, Smith, and a 1st...
I think I got you all.
Great conversations.
I just posted https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/506774?post_id=2646173 what I think the Ranger's offer could be:
More than likely it would be Strome, Chytil (or Kravtsov), Georgiev, 2022 first and second.
I think that is what most of you indicated would be the final offer.
I can see why the Vegas was rejected.
Strome is a center Smith is RW, both holes that need filling, Strome is a bit younger and a bit less expensive
Chytil or Kravtsov have a higher ceiling than Krebs
Georgiev, huge hole right now is a proven GK while Hague plays LHD, not a Buffalo need at all.
The NYR team with jack would probably finish lower in the standings than the Vegas team with Jack so the first would most likely be better from the Rangers.
I guess we could discuss my reasons and prove me wrong, but that Vegas offer is not acceptable IMO.
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