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Carolina Hurricanes signed Andrei Svechnikov (8 Years / $7,750,000 AAV)

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Aug. 26, 2021 at 12:53 p.m.
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Looks like an Islanders fan that was initially ragging on Marner?


No, I'm not ragging on Marner at all. He's a really good player. I'm saying that there's no reason to talk about the Marner contract in a thread about the Svech deal.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
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I think the Hurricanes just salvaged a horrendous offseason. What a deal.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 12:57 p.m.
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I love how his signing bonus this year is $4 000 037...Svech wears #37 lol.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Did he negotiate this contract by himself?
Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Kid needs a new agent as he allowed Waddell to rob his ass blind for 8 years yikes.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
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I think the Hurricanes just salvaged a horrendous offseason. What a deal.


It was never a "horrendous" offseason. The Canes FO simply made a choice: they decided to go big on their 21 year old superstar instead of on the UFA market. IMO, I think that's a pretty sound way to build a hockey club and a payroll.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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Steal.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:31 p.m.
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Years 2-8: normal numbers.

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Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:35 p.m.
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To be fair, Svech had a pretty disappointing season last year. His offensive numbers were considerably below expectations. Had he signed this deal a year ago, the first number would've almost certainly been a "9." That being said, why 8 years, lol?
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Aug. 26, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
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Best contract of all time
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.
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Best contract of all time


Not even close.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
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Not even close.

Ilya Kovalchuk at 17 years 100 mil would like a word
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Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:22 p.m.
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Another steal contract in Carolina, alongside Slavin and Pesce. After all the mess in their goalie situation, I can see this move as a relief for Carolina's fans.
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Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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It's easy to understand. The front office thought that Ned was a huge regression risk based on a prior track record in the AHL. They preferred veterans with a solid history at goalie instead. Waddell even said as much in interviews before UFA day.


I can understand that Ned could be a regression risk, any goalie after 1 great year is. But with what the Wings signed him for, it doesn't scream "all in" like a risk would sound like. Plus it's not like they are shooting the stars with Raanta and Frankie.

In hindsight, they could have kept svech and Ned for just around 10M for the next 3 years (min). If you asked most canes fans, I think they would consider that a good thing.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.
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Amazing
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:36 p.m.
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Nobody could do a 7 years offer sheet at 8M+? Wow

How do you know that the offer wasn’t on the table?
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:40 p.m.
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Great contract. I don't understand the marner contract comparable everyone is doing. Think it's closer to Nylander than marner but a good bit
Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:41 p.m.
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wait why are we talking about marner when this has nothing to do with him?


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Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:45 p.m.
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I'm not sure what everyone's freaking out about here, TBH. He's a very good young player but owes a lot to the fact that he plays primarily with Sebastian Aho, who is clearly the offensive driver on that line, and also the defensive anchor.

Last year: 55, 15-27-42 +1 - 67th in the NHL / 0.76 P/GP - 82nd in the NHL
Past 3: 205, 59-81-140 +10 - 77th in the NHL / 0.68 P/GP - 99th in the NHL

Hardly a world-beater. I get that he's young still and has lots of upside, but Brady Tkachuk has scored about as well without having the advantage of a superstar center. Here's a short list of all the players who have scored at similar rates or better in the 3 years after their draft:

2014
Draisaitl: 191, 50-87-137 0.72 P/GP
Pastrnak: 172, 59-64-123 0.72
Nylander: 103, 28-46-74 0.72
Ehlers: 154, 40-62-102 0.66

2015
McDavid: 209, 87-169-256 1.22 P/GP
Barzal: 84, 22-63-85 1.01
Eichel: 209, 73-104-177 0.85
Boeser: 71, 33-27-60 0.85
Marner: 159, 41-89-130 0.82
Rantanen: 165, 49-73-122 0.74
Aho: 160, 53-61-114 0.71
Connor: 96, 33-29-62 0.65

2016
Matthews: 212, 111-94-205 0.97 P/GP
Laine: 237, 110-74-184 0.78
Tkachuk: 224, 71-103-174 0.78
DeBrincat: 164, 69-59-128 0.78
Keller: 167, 37-77-114 0.68
Dubois: 164, 47-62-109 0.66

2017
Pettersson: 139, 55-77-132 0.95 P/GP
Makar: 57, 12-38-50 0.88
Hischier: 209, 51-84-135 0.65

2018
Hughes: 129, 11-86-97 0.75 P/GP
Svechnikov: 205, 59-81-140 0.68
Tkachuk: 198, 60-65-125 0.63
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Aug. 26, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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I'm not sure what everyone's freaking out about here, TBH. He's a very good young player but owes a lot to the fact that he plays primarily with Sebastian Aho, who is clearly the offensive driver on that line, and also the defensive anchor.

Last year: 55, 15-27-42 +1 - 67th in the NHL / 0.76 P/GP - 82nd in the NHL
Past 3: 205, 59-81-140 +10 - 77th in the NHL / 0.68 P/GP - 99th in the NHL

Hardly a world-beater. I get that he's young still and has lots of upside, but Brady Tkachuk has scored about as well without having the advantage of a superstar center. Here's a short list of all the players who have scored at similar rates or better in the 3 years after their draft:

2014
Draisaitl: 191, 50-87-137 0.72 P/GP
Pastrnak: 172, 59-64-123 0.72
Nylander: 103, 28-46-74 0.72
Ehlers: 154, 40-62-102 0.66

2015
McDavid: 209, 87-169-256 1.22 P/GP
Barzal: 84, 22-63-85 1.01
Eichel: 209, 73-104-177 0.85
Boeser: 71, 33-27-60 0.85
Marner: 159, 41-89-130 0.82
Rantanen: 165, 49-73-122 0.74
Aho: 160, 53-61-114 0.71
Connor: 96, 33-29-62 0.65

2016
Matthews: 212, 111-94-205 0.97 P/GP
Laine: 237, 110-74-184 0.78
Tkachuk: 224, 71-103-174 0.78
DeBrincat: 164, 69-59-128 0.78
Keller: 167, 37-77-114 0.68
Dubois: 164, 47-62-109 0.66

2017
Pettersson: 139, 55-77-132 0.95 P/GP
Makar: 57, 12-38-50 0.88
Hischier: 209, 51-84-135 0.65

2018
Hughes: 129, 11-86-97 0.75 P/GP
Svechnikov: 205, 59-81-140 0.68
Tkachuk: 198, 60-65-125 0.63


Getting out scored by Hughes. Ooof. I think he can still become elite. This is a good deal though cause if he reaches his ceiling, he will be outplaying his contract
Aug. 26, 2021 at 3:34 p.m.
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How much it will effect Kaprizov contract negotiations? Svech and him in my opinion quite similar players.


1.) Svech is way better and also younger.

2.) Bad news for Kaprizov's agent.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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This Should be a 3 year deal and it would be good, It a steal to have him 8 years
Aug. 26, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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Svech is a good player and this is a decent deal. Not really that close to ALREADY being one of the best. Draisaitl only makes $750k more and the point delta over the last two years is...194 pts vs 102 pts.


Edmonton loses games 5-6 while Carolina wins 2-1. Any expected numbers, which accounts for situation and team effects, will tell you Svechnikov does not only have as much of an offensive impact, but also doesn't actually increase offense coming back
Aug. 26, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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Re: post #69 (nice) above, lets group the players by P/GP top to bottom and look at each guy's 2nd contract.

McDavid, 1.22 - signed a record $12.5M x 8 year deal
Barzal, 1.01 - played two more years on his ELC and then signed a $7M x 3 bridge. NYI got 207 points from his ELC!
Matthews, 0.97 - signed $11.6M x 5 year deal
Pettersson, 0.95 - played 1 more year on his ELC and now is an RFA
Makar, 0.88 - played 1 more year on his ELC (44 points in 44 games!) and then signed for $9M x 6
Eichel, 0.85 - signed $10M x 8
Boeser, 0.85 - played 1 more year on his ELC (0.81 P/GP) and then signed a $5.875M x 3 bridge
Marner, 0.82 - played 1 more year on his ELC (1.15 P/GP!) and then signed for $10.9 x 6
Laine, 0.78 - signed $6.75M x 2 bridge
Tkachuk, 0.78 - signed $7M x 3 bridge
DeBrincat, 0.78 - played 1 more year on his ELC and then signed a $6.4M x 3 bridge
Hughes, 0.75 - RFA
Rantanen, 0.74 - played 1 more year on his ELC (1.18 P/GP!) and then signed for $9.25M x 6
Draisaitl, 0.72 - signed $8.5M x 8 coming off a 0.94 P/GP season
Pastrnak, 0.72 - signed $6.67M x 6 coming off a 0.93 P/GP season
Nylander, 0.72 - played 1 more year on his ELC (0.74 P/GP) and then signed for $6.9M x 6
Aho, 0.71 - played 1 more year on his ELC (1.01 P/GP) and then signed for $8.46M x 5
Svechnikov, 0.68 - signed for $7.75M x 8
Keller, 0.68 - played 1 more year on his ELC and then signed for $7.15M x 8
Dubois, 0.66 - played 1 more year on his ELC and then signed a $5M x 2 bridge
Ehlers, 0.66 - played 1 more year on his ELC and then signed for $6M x7
Hischier, 0.65 - signed for $7.25M x 7
Connor, 0.65 - played 1 more year on his ELC (34 goals, 0.80 P/GP) and then signed for $7.14M x7
Tkachuk, 0.63 - RFA

The Svechnikov contract seems to be slightly above market value, it really doesn't stand out here as the phenomenal deal it's being touted as.
Aug. 26, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.
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I'm not sure what everyone's freaking out about here, TBH. He's a very good young player but owes a lot to the fact that he plays primarily with Sebastian Aho, who is clearly the offensive driver on that line, and also the defensive anchor.

Last year: 55, 15-27-42 +1 - 67th in the NHL / 0.76 P/GP - 82nd in the NHL
Past 3: 205, 59-81-140 +10 - 77th in the NHL / 0.68 P/GP - 99th in the NHL

Hardly a world-beater. I get that he's young still and has lots of upside, but Brady Tkachuk has scored about as well without having the advantage of a superstar center. Here's a short list of all the players who have scored at similar rates or better in the 3 years after their draft:

2014
Draisaitl: 191, 50-87-137 0.72 P/GP
Pastrnak: 172, 59-64-123 0.72
Nylander: 103, 28-46-74 0.72
Ehlers: 154, 40-62-102 0.66

2015
McDavid: 209, 87-169-256 1.22 P/GP
Barzal: 84, 22-63-85 1.01
Eichel: 209, 73-104-177 0.85
Boeser: 71, 33-27-60 0.85
Marner: 159, 41-89-130 0.82
Rantanen: 165, 49-73-122 0.74
Aho: 160, 53-61-114 0.71
Connor: 96, 33-29-62 0.65

2016
Matthews: 212, 111-94-205 0.97 P/GP
Laine: 237, 110-74-184 0.78
Tkachuk: 224, 71-103-174 0.78
DeBrincat: 164, 69-59-128 0.78
Keller: 167, 37-77-114 0.68
Dubois: 164, 47-62-109 0.66

2017
Pettersson: 139, 55-77-132 0.95 P/GP
Makar: 57, 12-38-50 0.88
Hischier: 209, 51-84-135 0.65

2018
Hughes: 129, 11-86-97 0.75 P/GP
Svechnikov: 205, 59-81-140 0.68
Tkachuk: 198, 60-65-125 0.63


Your premise is backwards, and even if it was correct it accounts for at most half of on-ice impact. I think it's incredibly intuitive to think players playing at a higher pace both ends aren't necessarily better but will score more. Carolina plays low scoring games. Svech is a high scorer in those circumstances. Also, no, it's not "clearly Aho". Another thing to check this with is that the Canes were pretty bad before Svech, and to be fair Dougie (even Niederreiter to some extent), started tilting the ice for them. There are so many ways to stay out of the "look points" trap, and you still managed to fall into it.

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