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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2021
Published: Aug. 29, 2021
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Free Agent Signings
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5$3,000,000
5$3,000,000
7$8,000,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Brook, Josh
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
  3. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
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rights to Jesperi Kotkaniemi
buffalo matches Carolina's offer
2.
BUF
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
Additional Details:
matched offer
CAR
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2022
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22$81,500,000$61,180,882$113,916$850,000$20,319,118
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C
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RD
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G
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
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G
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.
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Can they do that?
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Can they do that?


No can’t trade him for a year if they match.
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:11 p.m.
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No can’t trade him for a year if they match.


But can they trade the matching rights which is what is happening here
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:12 p.m.
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But can they trade the matching rights which is what is happening here


No. They can’t. They have to either match or he’s on Carolina
Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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This doesn't seem like enough. This KK contract doesn't do Montreal any favors for KK's trade value
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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No. They can’t. They have to either match or he’s on Carolina


hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq
Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: jonnymc26
hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq


cant trade a player until 1 year the OS.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180

"If matched, the player remains with his team under the terms of the offer sheet he signed and he would not be eligible to be traded for one year."

so if Montreal matches KK....they will have to QO first to his 6.1m, try to extend him, or he will accept his QO before he is eligible to be traded. He has all the control to how valuable he is as a traded piece 1 year later bc of the timing of the OS. It was smart business by him and his agent
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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Quoting: jonnymc26
hey do you have link to where it talks about that.
i have never seen it done or heard of it because offer sheets are so rare so be interesting to see the rules on it.
the only thing i see says no trades after matching
https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-faq


I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
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Montréal and Carolina are the only 2 teams that Jesperi Kotkaniemi can play for next season.
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Gmonwy
Can they do that?


If not match and trade
Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.
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Even if they could do this trade with KK (which it doesn’t seem like they can), why would BUF accept? That’s a very underwhelming return.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:02 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.


Not exactly true, Montreal and Carolina can still work out a trade and the OS can be rescinded. However they are the only 2 teams that can do this.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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If this is legal, MTL takes this offer and runs.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
Not exactly true, Montreal and Carolina can still work out a trade and the OS can be rescinded. However they are the only 2 teams that can do this.


I'd need a source for that because I don't recall it and it doesn't make sense.
Rescinding an offer sheet can't be right. The player already has that contract. There's just a "blank" where the team name goes.
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
I'd need a source for that because I don't recall it and it doesn't make sense.
Rescinding an offer sheet can't be right. The player already has that contract. There's just a "blank" where the team name goes.


It was discussed by several pundits when we OS Aho, I will look for a source though
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Aug. 29, 2021 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
It was discussed by several pundits when we OS Aho, I will look for a source though


thats false, they cant negotiate a trade now. That contract has been submitted to the NHL registry. the Offersheet just doesnt go away. Kotkaniemi can not be traded in the 7 day window. Its in the CBA
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:11 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
cant trade a player until 1 year the OS.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-contract-offer-sheet-questions-answers/c-308047180

"If matched, the player remains with his team under the terms of the offer sheet he signed and he would not be eligible to be traded for one year."

so if Montreal matches KK....they will have to QO first to his 6.1m, try to extend him, or he will accept his QO before he is eligible to be traded. He has all the control to how valuable he is as a traded piece 1 year later bc of the timing of the OS. It was smart business by him and his agent


so if kk rights are traded to buffalo and buffalo (not mtl) matches then that's not an issue. buffalo would then just not be able to trade him for a year.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:14 p.m.
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thats false, they cant negotiate a trade now. That contract has been submitted to the NHL registry. the Offersheet just doesnt go away. Kotkaniemi can not be traded in the 7 day window. Its in the CBA


did you have a link for that rule or where it talks about that, it has not been posted on here yet.
this may be the loophole that not in rules if nobody can find specific source for it.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:16 p.m.
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Quoting: vikhodush
Even if they could do this trade with KK (which it doesn’t seem like they can), why would BUF accept? That’s a very underwhelming return.


i just tossed up a frame work of what mtl could do ideally i want more but wasn't the point of post.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:17 p.m.
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so if kk rights are traded to buffalo and buffalo (not mtl) matches then that's not an issue. buffalo would then just not be able to trade him for a year.


Technically Carolina owns his rights unless Montreal matches. He signed a contract with them. Montreal can match and take over that contract, but then they can't trade him for a year. So KK, rights or otherwise, can't be traded to Buffalo.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
I don't have a link, but I can assure you that you cannot trade the player within the 7 day matching window either. He technically doesn't belong to you until you match, and he technically doesn't belong to Carolina until the 7 days are up.


i technically would need to see the rules to validate that. he is mtl property until the 7th day is up according to what i have seen
Aug. 29, 2021 at 8:56 p.m.
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i technically would need to see the rules to validate that. he is mtl property until the 7th day is up according to what i have seen


Exhibit 6, 10.3 (a)
Once an Offer Sheet for a Restricted Free
Agent has been received by the Prior Club, the Prior Club may not Trade or otherwise Assign its
Right of First Refusal for such Restricted Free Agent.
Aug. 29, 2021 at 9:06 p.m.
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did you have a link for that rule or where it talks about that, it has not been posted on here yet.
this may be the loophole that not in rules if nobody can find specific source for it.


I don't have a link but I remember the context of the trade proposal talk. It was actually talk of arranging a trade so that the original team does not match and let's the player go. So in this case Carolina would agree to a deal where Montreal gets the comp package + a prospect and Montreal let's KK walk. So technically it's not a trade involving KK but in a sense it is.
 
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