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Eichel overpay or underpay poll

Created by: Cdn_bacon
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2021
Published: Aug. 31, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hutton, Ben1$750,000
Rask, Tuukka1$1,150,000
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Vaakanainen, Urho
  3. Grzelcyk, Matt
  4. Studnicka, Jack
  5. 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
  6. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  7. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
  8. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
CGY
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2024
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,448,174$1,956,507$0$51,826

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 5
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 5
BOS
Foligno, Nick
$3,800,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
BOS
Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Frederic, Trent
$1,050,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
BOS
Nosek, Tomas
$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Forbort, Derek
$3,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Ullmark, Linus
$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 4
BOS
Reilly, Mike
$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$4,100,000
RD
UFA - 6
Rask, Tuukka
$1,150,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
Zboril, Jakub
$725,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hutton, Ben
$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 2
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$725,000
RW, C
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Pastrnak, D.
Bergeron, P.
Marchand, B.
McAvoy, C.
Eichel, J.
Power Play 2
Smith, C.
Coyle, C.
Foligno, N.
Clifton, C.
Hall, T.
Penalty Kill 1
Bergeron, P.
Wagner, C.
Reilly, M.
Carlo, B.
Penalty Kill 2
Nosek, T.
Frederic, T.
Forbort, D.
Clifton, C.

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Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
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I think most will agree its a wild overpay.
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
I think most will agree its a wild overpay.


What would you remove to make it fair
Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:43 p.m.
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It’s more of not what the sabres need. The last thing they need is LD, Debrusk was horrible this past season and Studnicka isn’t looking all that great.
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
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The Bruins dont even think Vaakanainen is reaching his potential. Not that the Sabres would be interested
Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
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Although this may be fair trade value on nhl21, it’s just not a realistic hockey trade. I personally don’t see Sweeney trading away half of those assets.
Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
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finally fair trade value for eichel
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 1:47 p.m.
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Over pay by the second and at least one of the firsts. That's without reference to Buffalo's side of the deal, i.e., the degree of fit.
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:02 p.m.
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Value is overpay by a large sum. However there’s a lot of pieces that don’t work well for BUF.
Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:03 p.m.
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I see a lot of people writing overpay, but how often has the selling team actually won these trades involving an elite player of this age? Sure, you can think of deals involving Karlsson, but he was like 29 with a scrotum attached with rubber bands and bubble gum. We don't have to move out of Buffalo to see how the O'Reilly trade went. Joe Thornton comes to mind as well. What are these picks going to be in a few years? Most likely more DeBrusks, Studnickas and Vaakanainens who neither really move the sticks for a team competing for the cup.

I think almost any trade for Eichel will be an underpay. Maybe in 4-5 years there'd be a case for it. The best asset in this trade is Grzlcyk, who's sneakily a #1D in my mind. Swap him for Carlo and I think this is a slam dunk for Boston.


Let's hear it smile
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:09 p.m.
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I mean its an overpay I guess because of the quantity but the quality can be debated. Debrusk isn't a high value guy and the shines off the apple a little on stud and vaak.
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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The fact that anyone voted underpay is exactly whats wrong with the hockey world. This isnt even close
Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
I see a lot of people writing overpay, but how often has the selling team actually won these trades involving an elite player of this age? Sure, you can think of deals involving Karlsson, but he was like 29 with a scrotum attached with rubber bands and bubble gum. We don't have to move out of Buffalo to see how the O'Reilly trade went. Joe Thornton comes to mind as well. What are these picks going to be in a few years? Most likely more DeBrusks, Studnickas and Vaakanainens who neither really move the sticks for a team competing for the cup.

I think almost any trade for Eichel will be an underpay. Maybe in 4-5 years there'd be a case for it. The best asset in this trade is Grzlcyk, who's sneakily a #1D in my mind. Swap him for Carlo and I think this is a slam dunk for Boston.


Let's hear it smile


Very simply: he wants to leave. He isnt playing in Buffalo again. He is injured and they wont let him have surgery. So he is gone. Realistically, his value is even lower than the trades I have proposed, but to be nice and accommodating of people that dont think, I have made many neutral trades...
His value is so much lower than something that is already so much lower than this
Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:19 p.m.
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Lol that’s a massive overpay. What if pay that price get the surgery done then find out medical staff cant clear him for body contact? This is a very significant injury there is a reason Buffalo took the risk of damaging relationship with eichel.
Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: LogicOnly
Very simply: he wants to leave. He isnt playing in Buffalo again. He is injured and they wont let him have surgery. So he is gone. Realistically, his value is even lower than the trades I have proposed, but to be nice and accommodating of people that dont think, I have made many neutral trades...
His value is so much lower than something that is already so much lower than this


Genuinely curious to see these "Many neutral trades" that you've posted? Not meant to start an argument, just curious if you could point me in their direction.
Aug. 31, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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I guess this is an overpay but the problem is buffalo declines anyways. The best piece here is (by far) grzelyk, but he’s not what Buffalo is looking for. All of the other players are nice pieces, but really don’t move the needle at all in an eichel trade. Boston’s draft picks are likely in the back half of the 1st round, so the value isn’t quite there either.

Not worth it for Boston, not the right package for buffalo. Neither team does it
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Cdn_bacon
What would you remove to make it fair


All the names
Aug. 31, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
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Right now? Overpay!! So many variables to consider on all those players listed. 30 games in (if Eichel even plays) it could go to MASSIVE overpay but I can't see it going the other way. Ever.
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Aug. 31, 2021 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: LogicOnly
Very simply: he wants to leave. He isnt playing in Buffalo again. He is injured and they wont let him have surgery. So he is gone. Realistically, his value is even lower than the trades I have proposed, but to be nice and accommodating of people that dont think, I have made many neutral trades...
His value is so much lower than something that is already so much lower than this


I was talking about pure contract/player value, not trade value. Like in a vacuum you should still be happy giving up what I suggested if you are the Bruins.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 9:57 a.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
I was talking about pure contract/player value, not trade value. Like in a vacuum you should still be happy giving up what I suggested if you are the Bruins.


Oh no not at all, considering he costs much less, they would never ever give up that much
Sep. 1, 2021 at 9:58 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
Genuinely curious to see these "Many neutral trades" that you've posted? Not meant to start an argument, just curious if you could point me in their direction.


Mostly on other peoples posts, but the idea being something along the lines of:
Debrusk, Studnicka, Zboril, 1st for Eichel which is much clkoser to fair than this. Maybe even throw in a 2nd / 3rd, but that may be too much
Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:43 a.m.
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Quoting: LogicOnly
Mostly on other peoples posts, but the idea being something along the lines of:
Debrusk, Studnicka, Zboril, 1st for Eichel which is much clkoser to fair than this. Maybe even throw in a 2nd / 3rd, but that may be too much


I just don't see how that helps Buffalo I guess...it's becoming clear that Adams has set a price, and that he's not in a rush to make a move. I guess I'm just not super high on Stud/Zboril, and Debrusk may be solid, but his value got donkey'd with last seasons performance as well. I don't really think they matchup as a logical destination anyway-Trading Eichel in their own division is a bad, bad move unless there's an overpay.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 11:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
I just don't see how that helps Buffalo I guess...it's becoming clear that Adams has set a price, and that he's not in a rush to make a move. I guess I'm just not super high on Stud/Zboril, and Debrusk may be solid, but his value got donkey'd with last seasons performance as well. I don't really think they matchup as a logical destination anyway-Trading Eichel in their own division is a bad, bad move unless there's an overpay.


Well said, but i guess thats the point.
They are NOT getting an overpay anymore, with the news that the the whole problem is because of the Sabres, they will either get Fair Value to Less Value for him.
Not to mention, if you saw what they wanted from Vegas, this trade was very similar.

Thats the point, maybe the dont want to rush it, maybe it wont happen, but IF IT DOES, it is going to look a lot more like my trades than this mess of a trade
Sep. 1, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
I see a lot of people writing overpay, but how often has the selling team actually won these trades involving an elite player of this age? Sure, you can think of deals involving Karlsson, but he was like 29 with a scrotum attached with rubber bands and bubble gum. We don't have to move out of Buffalo to see how the O'Reilly trade went. Joe Thornton comes to mind as well. What are these picks going to be in a few years? Most likely more DeBrusks, Studnickas and Vaakanainens who neither really move the sticks for a team competing for the cup.

I think almost any trade for Eichel will be an underpay. Maybe in 4-5 years there'd be a case for it. The best asset in this trade is Grzlcyk, who's sneakily a #1D in my mind. Swap him for Carlo and I think this is a slam dunk for Boston.


Let's hear it smile


While in real life 4 quarters make a dollar and is equivalent, we all agree that it’s not the same in sports. All these pieces likely will never amount to a JE. However, the value here is great, there’s like 6-8 quarters worth to the JE dollar bill. The problem I see is a bunch of these guys aren’t going to fit BUF today or down the road. Those guys need to be flipped again which is dumb. But, all those picks could become players that are slightly under JE quality. We know how late Pasta, Kuch, Point, etc went and they very well could find some gems making this trade look terrible for BOS.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
I see a lot of people writing overpay, but how often has the selling team actually won these trades involving an elite player of this age? Sure, you can think of deals involving Karlsson, but he was like 29 with a scrotum attached with rubber bands and bubble gum. We don't have to move out of Buffalo to see how the O'Reilly trade went. Joe Thornton comes to mind as well. What are these picks going to be in a few years? Most likely more DeBrusks, Studnickas and Vaakanainens who neither really move the sticks for a team competing for the cup.

I think almost any trade for Eichel will be an underpay. Maybe in 4-5 years there'd be a case for it. The best asset in this trade is Grzlcyk, who's sneakily a #1D in my mind. Swap him for Carlo and I think this is a slam dunk for Boston.
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It is such a pleasure to hear words of wisdom on this site.
You mention O'Reilly to the Blues.
When the trade was made, nearly every pundit thought it was a good deal for both teams.

On January first after the trade the Blues were so excited with the trade, they were discussing breaking up the team at the TDL.
Six months later they are holding the cup.

But you also mentioned the Thornton trade.
In past 15 years or so, I would say Boston has lost three trades by wide margins.
Of course the Thornton deal, but what do they have to show for Wheeler and Seguin?
About the same as the Sabres have from losing Kane, O'Reilly and Lehner.
Three players that the Sabres gave up multiple picks and former first round picks to obtain.
Now have Thompson to show for all of those trades.

I could even add Kessel to the Boston ledger.
Initially it looked as Boston won the trade by a wide margin getting Seguin and Hamilton, but where are they now?
While Kessel got to hoist two cups.

So for Buffalo the past 10 years they have lost both ends of the trades.
When they got the best player in the deal and when they traded that player away.

Boston on the other hand, trades away great players and still manages to be in cup contention every year.
Buffalo is the laughing stock of the league now, it all started when Pegula took over the team.

I imagine when the dust settles the Sabres will have bucket of pucks to show for trading Reinhart, Ristolainen and Eichel.
The same one Boston has for trading away, Thornton, Wheeler and Kessel.

The difference is Buffalo has practice puck, while Boston pucks are from the Stanley Cup playoffs.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.
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Quoting: LogicOnly
Oh no not at all, considering he costs much less, they would never ever give up that much


So you didn't read my first part of the sentenece? regardless what you think the market value is, you're a better team in the present and future after trading for him
 
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