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Proof MB has no plan

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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 31, 2021
Published: Sep. 1, 2021
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Once again MB has proved he has no plan by allowing Philip Danault to walk in FA before making sure he had a replacement locked up. Now he is going to let KK walk and try to trade for a top 6 center from a position of weakness. This guy really does not know how to run a hockey team. His favorite quotes are "trades are hard" "signing FA's is hard" "drafting is hard". Well that is literally your job, if it is too hard find a new one or perhaps try to trade from a position of strength for a change!
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  1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
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22$81,500,000$60,787,977$597,561$1,475,000$20,712,023
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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$750,000$750,000
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 3
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
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UFA - 4
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
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NMC
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
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RFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
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UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
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UFA - 1
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$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
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$950,000$950,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 8:39 a.m.
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bottom 5 gm in the league. no idea why so many people defend him.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 9:34 a.m.
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bottom 5 gm in the league. no idea why so many people defend him.


I I cannot think of another worse GM. What GM trades a top 4 D prospect for a winger just to try to convert him to center? What other GM trades a former Norris trophy winner who is in his prime for a past prime often injured veteran on too long of a contract? Sure it worked out for us that Weber was able to help us get to the SCF but a lot of things had to go right for that to happen including a global pandemic cause lets face it if the divisions hadn't been realigned we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs this year or the year before. Weber did not significantly improve the team, it just took the team in a different direction and MB lucked into the playoffs. I like our lineup, we have a good mix of skill, youth and vets (more so with KK in the lineup) but we are still missing that elite top 6 forward and top pairing D man. This has been an issue since MB came to Montreal, until he is finally ran out of town we will not get those issues fixed.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.
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bottom 5 gm in the league. no idea why so many people defend him.


Entertainment

But he just brought MTL to the cup finals where they lost against 18 mill over the cap Tampa.. so I think he’s pretty good
Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:05 a.m.
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But he just brought MTL to the cup finals where they lost against 18 mill over the cap Tampa.. so I think he’s pretty good


cinderella run. he'll likely follow that up with missing the playoffs.

he wasted price's prime. the dumb subban for weber trade and now has a bunch of contracts that are going to age poorly on the team. botched aho offersheet which now is blowing back on him. the team has no direction. are they rebuilding or competing? both.. and they are stuck in the middle.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:17 a.m.
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cinderella run. he'll likely follow that up with missing the playoffs.

he wasted price's prime. the dumb subban for weber trade and now has a bunch of contracts that are going to age poorly on the team. botched aho offersheet which now is blowing back on him. the team has no direction. are they rebuilding or competing? both.. and they are stuck in the middle.


I am a Habs fan and couldn't have said it better lol
Sep. 1, 2021 at 10:44 a.m.
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Bergevin is good (or lucky) with small moves, but generally bad at big ones.

Weber - Subban should have brought us an extra piece at least. It worked out, but he still lost value at the time.

Drouin - Sergachev the organization is just as responsible for continually bowing to public pressure and prioritizing spoken language over success or business.

Suzuki - Pacioretty was exactly what a good trade looks like. Vegas got a good player in return for a good prospect with a 2nd as insurance against that prospect not making it. It turned into a big win for MB because the player he didn't ask for (Tatar) exceeded expectations.

His middling moves have been okay but the end result has mostly been shuffling chairs on a sinking ship because of poor targeting and failure to recognize, acknowledge, and address real issues. Too much time in the foxhole fort instance.

Where Bergevin has success, and may even be top of the league, is bargain deals. Thus the "Bargain bin Bergevin" moniker. Small pieces for low prices which work out well and often net a return at the end of their tenure. Eller, Danault and Romanov (albeit with inside information), Armia, Shaw, Petry, Edmundson, etc.

Unfortunately, the good he achieves is outweighed by the bad. Especially when you consider our prospect development and contract signings.
To often have prospects been mishandled during his tenure, and too often have we missed with our high picks. Couple that with our reluctance to trade them until their value is practically zero, and it's not surprising how many of those picks have gone to waste.
He's also irrationally stubborn with negotiations for our own young players, and conversely generous with contracts for older players and players acquired from outside the organization.
The guy you went off the board and want to be your next big thing, gets handled so badly that he has to resort to an offer sheet.
Meanwhile you sign a player like Anderson to a big deal immediately after coming off a ridiculously bad season, and lock up players like Armia and Byron for $3M+ without any fuss and don't hesitate to give someone like Alzner a good chunk of money with term in free agency and consistently sign fringe players that push prospects down the depth chart. This is while also giving his personal favorites contracts which are at the high end or significantly more of what they should reasonably expect, while letting players like Markov walk.
It would be temporarily excusable if the results were there, but when you are pushing back development and still failing, you need to reevaluate your approach. Self-assessment is definitely not among his strengths.

A 10 year quest for security at center and he blows it for the sake of what was probably less than $1M difference in negotiations.
It was time for him to go way back when he refused to acknowledge his buddy pal Therrien was an issue. Let This be the year please.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 11:16 a.m.
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Bergevin is good (or lucky) with small moves, but generally bad at big ones.

Weber - Subban should have brought us an extra piece at least. It worked out, but he still lost value at the time.

Drouin - Sergachev the organization is just as responsible for continually bowing to public pressure and prioritizing spoken language over success or business.

Suzuki - Pacioretty was exactly what a good trade looks like. Vegas got a good player in return for a good prospect with a 2nd as insurance against that prospect not making it. It turned into a big win for MB because the player he didn't ask for (Tatar) exceeded expectations.

His middling moves have been okay but the end result has mostly been shuffling chairs on a sinking ship because of poor targeting and failure to recognize, acknowledge, and address real issues. Too much time in the foxhole fort instance.

Where Bergevin has success, and may even be top of the league, is bargain deals. Thus the "Bargain bin Bergevin" moniker. Small pieces for low prices which work out well and often net a return at the end of their tenure. Eller, Danault and Romanov (albeit with inside information), Armia, Shaw, Petry, Edmundson, etc.

Unfortunately, the good he achieves is outweighed by the bad. Especially when you consider our prospect development and contract signings.
To often have prospects been mishandled during his tenure, and too often have we missed with our high picks. Couple that with our reluctance to trade them until their value is practically zero, and it's not surprising how many of those picks have gone to waste.
He's also irrationally stubborn with negotiations for our own young players, and conversely generous with contracts for older players and players acquired from outside the organization.
The guy you went off the board and want to be your next big thing, gets handled so badly that he has to resort to an offer sheet.
Meanwhile you sign a player like Anderson to a big deal immediately after coming off a ridiculously bad season, and lock up players like Armia and Byron for $3M+ without any fuss and don't hesitate to give someone like Alzner a good chunk of money with term in free agency and consistently sign fringe players that push prospects down the depth chart. This is while also giving his personal favorites contracts which are at the high end or significantly more of what they should reasonably expect, while letting players like Markov walk.
It would be temporarily excusable if the results were there, but when you are pushing back development and still failing, you need to reevaluate your approach. Self-assessment is definitely not among his strengths.

A 10 year quest for security at center and he blows it for the sake of what was probably less than $1M difference in negotiations.
It was time for him to go way back when he refused to acknowledge his buddy pal Therrien was an issue. Let This be the year please.


Here is a good article on what MB's tenure amounts to

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-kotkaniemi-lose-lose-situation-bergevin/
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 11:25 a.m.
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Uber frustrating GM. But, I imagine that every other fanbase loves the entertainment he brings. You are welcome! The Subban-Weber trade was in such poor taste. He clearly couldn't care less about the fans and is all ego. Otherwise, he wouldn't have drafted Mailloux. He's an absolute loose canon. He should become what he always wanted..a fern plant on the Zach Galifianakis show.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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As an outsider, I can understand the frustration feeling. Personally, I don't think the problem is Bergevin (however the Aho/KK OS situation and the Mailloux pick are puzzling) but more the Habs drafting since 2007

I made a post about this a few months ago (not updated this). Personally, I wish we had Bergevin in Ottawa, but with the Sens drafting/development

Looking at Bergevin trades (except Drouin trade maybe?), I think it's actually very good overall :

- Acquired Petry for a 2nd + 4th
- Acquired Danault + 2nd (Romanov) for Fleischmann + Weise
- Acquired Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd for Pacioretty
- Acquired Weber for Subban (move that was heavily criticized for 2-3 years but not anymore)
- Acquired Domi for Galchenyuk, then eventually Anderson for Domi + 3rd
- Acquired Armia + 4th + 7th for eating Steve Masons's cap dump for just 1 year
- Acquired Byron from waivers
- Acquired Kulak for Taormina (AHL player that ended up being done shortly after)
- Acquired Thompson + 5th for a 4th round pick, then eventually traded him for another 5th
- Acquired 2nd + 3rd for damaged goods Andrew Shaw
- Acquired Scandella for 4th, then flipped him a few weeks later for a 2nd and a 4th
- Acquired Allen for 3rd, then extended him for a reasonable 2 years at 2.875 (0.930+ SV % since last year)
- Acquired Edmundson for a 5th then signed him for a reasonable 4 years at 3.5 (leads NHL with +18)
- Signed Toffoli and Chiarot as a UFA

Signings are pretty good in general too. Drafting is just not good enough
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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As an outsider, I can understand the frustration feeling. Personally, I don't think the problem is Bergevin (however the Aho/KK OS situation and the Mailloux pick are puzzling) but more the Habs drafting since 2007

I made a post about this a few months ago (not updated this). Personally, I wish we had Bergevin in Ottawa, but with the Sens drafting/development

Looking at Bergevin trades (except Drouin trade maybe?), I think it's actually very good overall :

- Acquired Petry for a 2nd + 4th
- Acquired Danault + 2nd (Romanov) for Fleischmann + Weise
- Acquired Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd for Pacioretty
- Acquired Weber for Subban (move that was heavily criticized for 2-3 years but not anymore)
- Acquired Domi for Galchenyuk, then eventually Anderson for Domi + 3rd
- Acquired Armia + 4th + 7th for eating Steve Masons's cap dump for just 1 year
- Acquired Byron from waivers
- Acquired Kulak for Taormina (AHL player that ended up being done shortly after)
- Acquired Thompson + 5th for a 4th round pick, then eventually traded him for another 5th
- Acquired 2nd + 3rd for damaged goods Andrew Shaw
- Acquired Scandella for 4th, then flipped him a few weeks later for a 2nd and a 4th
- Acquired Allen for 3rd, then extended him for a reasonable 2 years at 2.875 (0.930+ SV % since last year)
- Acquired Edmundson for a 5th then signed him for a reasonable 4 years at 3.5 (leads NHL with +18)
- Signed Toffoli and Chiarot as a UFA

Signings are pretty good in general too. Drafting is just not good enough


subban could have been moved for a kings ransom. why bergevin chose an older defeseman is beyond me even if weber did ok. same with price. price could have been moved for a kings ransom and more but bergevin signed him to a terrible long term deal all why trying to rebuild and compete at the same time. just a waste of two golden opportunities.

you are spot on about the drafting though. galchenyuk and kk at #3. yikes.
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