Makes a lot of sense, though i honestly don’t think the second needs to be in there. Maybe a kicker like a 5th instead.

Hertl won’t be moved until a solution is found with Kane. Sharks org wants to make the playoffs so they will likely keep Hertl until they are out of contention.

Yeah take the second out and add another first I agree

He’s hertl, not eichel.

Since when is Eichel worth less than Seth Jones lol. You realize you commenting wont will Hertls price down right? We dont control that

The Habs dont have the money for Hertl's extension salary in 2022 unless he's simply a rental. Suzuki and Romanov's raises are the priority.

As a rental, a 2nd rounder and a decent prospect like Ylonen would be enough.

Habs decline

I’ll just wait and laugh when he’s moved for a first and a third.

Hertl is worth more than that! if thats the best offer sherks just hold on to him.

Eichel asking is 4 firsts and he's on IR to start the season and probably most the season.

if that's the best offer then sharks wont trade him and attempt to resign him.
a top center is minimum 2 firsts or a first and top prospect.
Eichel asking is 4 1sts and he is hurt
Dvorak asking is 2 firsts and he is not in the same level as Hertl

He’s not a top center. Never has been. Dvorak asking is not two firsts, and honestly, the number of players in this league that get two firsts as a rental is really small. Eichel has four years left pal.

Again any large deal for Hertl will undoubtably hinge on the buyers being able to resign him. no rental is worth the haul and i wouldn’t argue that with you.

but a #1 center does require a large return.
Dvorak the demand is 2 1sts or a first and a first level prospect.

and hockey scouts and GM around the league feel he is a 1C so and i value their take over yours sorry.

….but he isn’t a number one center.

What makes you so knowledgeable that I should ignore hockey experts and scouts???

I can say the same thing about a few dozen top line players in the Leauge but the end of the day my feelings and opinions Cary no clout compared to NHL scouts, coaches, GM’s.

What hockey experts and scouts? Name them. I don’t think any expert thinks he’s a legit number one.

you don't think??? so trash a guy without doing any research first?
first the baseline expectations of a top line center are drawn out in this article
https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/5/31/8693313/first-line-nhl-production-analysis

Hertl has a career Corsi score of 56.3, Carrer Fenwic of 56.3
Career average of .64 points per game.
the last 4 years he has averaged .77 points per game. the last 3 years .87 points per game.
his primary line mates (Labanc and Meier) have produced at drastically different numbers with him than without.
He pushes the play, he scores at a near elite level (1.0 points per game is wildly considered elite)
he is solid defensively, and he is 27 turning 28
all of these stats compare to what an NHL expects of a top line center.
personally I think his ideal placement is on a 2nd line on a really deep team but he is more than capable of carrying a top line.

Did you just list a website called habseyeontheprize as an expert? Bahahahaha. Dude. Cmon. Where have i trashed hertl? I think he’s awesome. Plenty of room in the NHL for good second line centers. My team needs one! But this nonsense of multiple first round picks, or a first and the teams top prospect…its insanity.

The website just breaks down what teams consider 1st line - 4th line players and what you want out of them.
That website had nothing to do with Hertl it was a reference to what people in the NHL view a first line center should be as a min

You post nothing to back up your argument and you mock me!!! This isn’t Facebook share and work with people or move on!

Where did i mock you? Where did i say hertl was bad? Why are you so defensive?

Anyone saying he isn't a first line center should actually watch a Sharks game once. The guy has been producing very good numbers with average linesmates. Labanc and Meier have numbers because of his plays. So compared to Danault or KK I would go with Hertl for sure.

You give up 2 to 3 draft picks (thanks to the Canes we only give up a 2nd pick really).. And Suzuki has a mentor for a few years. Hertl and Suzuki can switch lines in a year or so, even now we'd potentially have two solid first lines which is what we've been waiting for.

With Hoffman and Anderson he would have the size, speed, hands and sniper to calibrate his plays. His points would go back up and not the other way around.

Next year, you'll need to resign the players, but you can let go of some others in basic trades and bring up depth players at less than a million cap hit to play or your 3rd and 4th lines.

Well, literally today, Ryan Lambert (EP Rinkside) wrote this about Hertl:
"Injury history aside, Hertl is a plus-plus offensive player at 5-on-5 and strong defensively as well, so his value is clear. What's more, a huge 28-year-old who plays in the middle of the ice but also the wing and is a clear top-line talent is the kind of player a few teams need right now. Let's put it this way: If multiple teams are circling Christian Dvorak — who's perfectly good but more of a clear No. 2 centre — like hyenas, Hertl being placed on the market for less than $1.2 million more would obliterate the market. Frankly, Hertl could be more attractive in some ways because of the price point (in terms of assets and cap space required to obtain him) than Jack Eichel."
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On the analytics side:
JFresh/Patrick Bacon:

Tomas Hertl is one of the best two-way centres in the league. If he wants out, I hope he ends up on a contending team. #SJSharks pic.twitter.com/97evmE8HgP

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) August 31, 2021

Evolving WIld:

Per our GAR projections on @EvolvingHockey, Tomas Hertl ranks 20th among all skaters heading into next season. He is easily San Jose's best player right now. He is good at everything / bad at nothing. pic.twitter.com/qwTdnpZzQe

— EvolvingWild (@EvolvingWild) August 31, 2021

Dom Luszczyszyn (The Athletic):
Its behind a paywall, but he says he is worth 9.8M Article