He won 6….

Sorry in his first 5 seasons, To compare to Matthews. He won a round. Took him 13 seasons to get past the 2nd round. So come on. This whole TO is a punching bag nonsense is just poor trolling.

You’re really good at the spin zone huh.

Says the guy spinning my words to prove points that are just plain stupid.

When have i done that? Seems like i’ve only used exactly what you’ve said. I haven’t had to spin anything, you’ve been weird all on your own.

i wouldn't call Kuraly's contract our worst. Sure, it's a bit too long, but the cap hit is pretty okay. If i were to give one of our boys the "worst contract" moniker, i'd say Scott Harrington. He's likely not gonna start this year, and he's too expensive to be a 7th defenseman imo.

I said they don't have bad contracts and you turned it into the team not being able to win. You're just a troll. It's sad

No no. You said they didn’t have bad contracts. I listed the ones that are bad. You freaked out, brought up the bruins for some reason, and started on about pastrnaks next contract for some reason. Then i asked you why you thought the leafs couldn’t win if they’re so talented and don’t have any bad contracts…..that’s when the excuse train started. Ohhhhh they’ve played really good teams, and there was good goaltending, and there were injuries.

Marner is one of the highest scoring players in hockey. His contract isn't bad. And comparing him to guys making less than they should is supid. **** off

He’s the second highest paid winger in the league. He’s nowhere close to the second best winger in the league.

Top 5 is absolutely close to the 2nd best

He’s not top five though. He might be top five in his division.

No bias here at all. I suppose Matthews is only a top 10 centre

Once again, you take one conversation and try to turn it into something completely different. What does Matthews have to do with this?

Marner is without a doubt a top 5 RW. It's not even arguable.

Ummm, ya, he’s probably right around there for right wingers. I was talking about wingers in general. For RW, the guys that I think are ahead of him are: Rantanen, Kane, Stone, and Pastrnak. So ya, he’s right around five. If wingers in general are in the discussion, i would add: Panarin, Kaprisov, Marchand, Ovechkin, Connor, Huburdeau, Debrincat, and maybe a couple other guys into the conversation. He’s probably around the 10 range.

Kucherov is the best RW. Marner is better than Stone and Kane. Kane is only offensive, hes bad defensively. Marner is also better than Rantanen. Pasternak is great as well. Can't knock him at all. Marner is better than the rest of your list without doubt. You can't say any of them are better offensively really and Mariner's proven to be terrific defensively as well.

Well, my discussion was mostly wingers in general, not just RW. No. He’s not better than stone. Stone is a far more complete player. Kane has done it on the biggest stage, and marner has flopped. Panarin is just flat out better, i don’t think anyone would dispute that. Same for marchand. Ovechkin, on the back 9 is up for debate. Debrincat was scoring at a 50 goal pace last season. That’s hard to argue with.

You guys still commenting on my post LOL

I agree on everything that cmacacoy73 has said

What makes Stone a more complete player? He is less offensive and only his reputation defensively is more impactful than the actual play. Marner's defence was terrific last year. Same with Matthews but they do not have the public reputation so it gets ignored. 90% of what fans say is just mob think. And in this specific conversation their is a huge anti leaf bias. It just can't be denied. Half of fans on here want Marner to be a bad contract so they manufacture nonsense arguments. A 24 year old 100 point player, (what marner would have had over 82 games) isn't overpaid. Getting 100 points in a season is so incredibly rare. Pastrnak, Marchand, Stone, etc etc all haven't done that. Own the bias at least.

Oh boy. Okay, since we’re talking bias. Let’s go over a couple things here. Marner has never played at a 100 point pace. He’s been incredibly close, but his best point per game season (this past year) is a 99 point pace. Now you say Pastrnak, stone, and Marchand haven’t done that….and you’re right about stone. Pastrnak had a 70 game line of 48-47-95 in the season that covid shut down. Thats a 56 goal, 111 point pace. Which is, you know, better than 99. Marchand played at a 106 point pace this past season (also better than 99), but what’s more, he’s actually had 100 points in a season. He was also at a pace north of 100 points when covid shut things down. Soooo with your pace mumbo jumbo, that would be three consecutive seasons at that 100+ point rate. Marner is really good defensively. I don’t think there’s a soul outside of toronto that would say he’s better defensively than marchand.

So in a nut shell, what you just said that was marner is better than a few guys because he achieved something that those other guys didnt….even though marner hasn’t achieved it, and those other guys have. Cmon man. Be better.


But the overall point here, just stop with the defensive nonsense. People are allowed to disagree with you. When you say half the fans are trying to manufacture arguments for leafs having bad contracts…like it’s some goddamn conspiracy theory, you sound crazy, and very, very defensive. Maybe those people are just using logic, not seeing success, and thus thinking that these guys that are paid at the top of the market, while not performing at the top of the market have bad deals. Is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Okay I'm done. 99.89 points over 82 games and you round down. Yeah no bias. You're just a loser

Splitting hairs for sure. The only reason i brought it up was that you said marchand and pastrnak hadn’t. They have more of a claim to a 100+ point season than Marner. Heck, one of them legitimate got 100 points. I just thought it weird that you would say marner had done it when those guys hadn’t.

Marchand is great no question. But his best days are likely behind him. Marner is just getting started. You're dropping him low because you are bias. Which is why you round down from 99.89. manufacturing bs reasons to lower someone's level. It's nonsense. Debrincat is great cause he was on close to a 50 goal pace but I bet you also say stuff like Matthews isn't the best goal scorer because he's never had a 50 goal season. Bias bull****. People like you are not worth talking to.

Again, why are you changing the discussion. I never said anything about Matthews. I never said marner wasn’t awesome. I just said he’s overpaid. I think that’s pretty clear given that he’s the second highest paid winger in the NHL, and isn’t even close to being in the discussion as a top two winger in the league. The only reason i referenced Marner not having played at a 100 point pace is because you said that he did, while saying that two guys that actually have, have not.