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Created by: tyler19
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2021
Published: Sep. 8, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Calgary Flames
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ryan, Bobby1$1,050,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Klingberg, John
DAL
  1. Andersson, Rasmus
  2. 2022 1st round pick (CGY)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (FLA)
2.
CGY
  1. Hertl, Tomas
SJS
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. Pelletier, Jakob
  3. 2023 5th round pick (CGY)
Buyouts
  • Troy Brouwer: $1,500,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$76,750,000$0$0$4,750,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Gaudreau, Johnny
$6,750,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Tkachuk, Matthew
$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Coleman, Blake
$4,900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 6
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Lindholm, Elias
$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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Mangiapane, Andrew
$2,425,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Ryan, Bobby
$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA
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Backlund, Mikael
$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
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Dubé, Dillon
$2,300,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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Lucic, Milan
$5,250,000
LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
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Gawdin, Glenn
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Pitlick, Tyler
$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Hanifin, Noah
$4,950,000
LD
UFA - 3
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Klingberg, John
$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Markström, Jacob
$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
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Zadorov, Nikita
$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Tanev, Christopher
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Vladar, Daniel
$750,000
G
RFA - 2
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Välimäki, Juuso
$1,550,000
LD
RFA - 2
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Kylington, Oliver
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Welinski, Andy
$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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Froese, Byron
$725,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1
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Lewis, Trevor
$800,000 ($0)
RW
UFA - 1
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Ritchie, Brett
$900,000 ($0)
RW
UFA - 1

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Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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Team adding will be Dallas not Calgary
Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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Team adding will be Dallas not Calgary


Funny. Klingberg is better than Andersson and it isn't even a question.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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who on earth thinks that's a fair Hertl Trade?
ok I resend that comment, it's not far off value.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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Funny. Klingberg is better than Andersson and it isn't even a question.


Andersson is on a pretty good long term contract. Klingberg is a UFA in a year and we could end up with nothing from this trade
Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
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Andersson is on a pretty good long term contract. Klingberg is a UFA in a year and we could end up with nothing from this trade


I get where you're coming from, but Dallas ain't going to add to a swap where they're giving up the better player.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl and has an extra year of term.
Andersson is locked up way longer than Klingberg and is only 24, while Klingberg is the better player that is an absurd overpayment
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Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Pelletier is great, but why would SJ trade Hertl for a worse center? Kind of defeats the purpose of trading him in the first place.
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Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl and has an extra year of term.
Andersson is locked up way longer than Klingberg and is only 24, while Klingberg is the better player that is an absurd overpayment


might be, but if they can get them to extensions, then these trades might be the change up they were looking for
Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:05 p.m.
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might be, but if they can get them to extensions, then these trades might be the change up they were looking for


Sure but fix the values because both trades are completely lopsided for the other teams
Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl and has an extra year of term.
Andersson is locked up way longer than Klingberg and is only 24, while Klingberg is the better player that is an absurd overpayment


What an absurd comment.

Hertl is a top 15-20 center in the NHL. His 2.42 5v5 points per 60 minutes scoring rate puts him in elite company. For reference, his rate of 5v5 scoring was above the likes of Mark Scheifele, Sean Couturier, Gabriel Landeskog, John Tavares, and Evgeni Malkin in 2020-21.

Stats don't lie.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: lilfimpen
What an absurd comment.


what part?
Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
what part?


"Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl"
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Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:45 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:51 p.m.
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl


Oof gonna have to disagree HARD with that one, chief

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Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:51 p.m.
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Quoting: lilfimpen
"Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl"


I fail to see the issue, Hertl has played for a better team the majority of their careers and has only outproduced him once, that was this year when it is well known that Monahan played with a ****ed up hip since mid February
Sep. 8, 2021 at 1:55 p.m.
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Quoting: lilfimpen
What an absurd comment.

Hertl is a top 15-20 center in the NHL. His 2.42 5v5 points per 60 minutes scoring rate puts him in elite company. For reference, his rate of 5v5 scoring was above the likes of Mark Scheifele, Sean Couturier, Gabriel Landeskog, John Tavares, and Evgeni Malkin in 2020-21.

Stats don't lie.


Oh he had a great year, I don't disagree with that but Stats also don't lie about him never being better than Monahan outside of this year
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Oh he had a great year, I don't disagree with that but Stats also don't lie about him never being better than Monahan outside of this year



Even going off of EvolvingWild's WAR, the last time Monahan was better than Hertl was in 16-17...
(xWAR had him better in 17-18)

Note: It's the same for non per60.

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Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:02 p.m.
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Oof gonna have to disagree HARD with that one, chief

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You are welcome to disagree but the only thing Hertl has over Monahan is his performance this most recent season, where as I said above Monahan is well known to have been injured since mid February
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Klara
Even going off of EvolvingWild's WAR, the last time Monahan was better than Hertl was in 16-17...
(xWAR had him better in 17-18)

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WAR on EH doesn't account for QoC, Monahan's had a 90% QoC over the last 3 years to Hertl's 75% (as shown above). The numbers were quite close in 17/18 and 18/19 too
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
WAR on EH doesn't account for QoC, Monahan's had a 90% QoC over the last 3 years to Hertl's 75% (as shown above). The numbers were quite close in 17/18 and 18/19 too


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You can look at RAPM then, which is adjusted based on competition, which makes Monahan look even worse.

(Also RAPM is how they do calculate QoC in their WAR)
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Klara
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You can look at RAPM then, which is adjusted based on competition, which makes Monahan look even worse.

(Also RAPM is how they do calculate QoC in their WAR)


Sure, we can look at RAPM, here is what we get when we take out the season Monahan was clearly injured all year. It's quite obvious how much this most recent season effected those numbers.
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Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Sure, we can look at RAPM, here is what we get when we take out the season Monahan was clearly injured all year. It's quite obvious how much this most recent season effected those numbers.
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cool, even when you completely ignore the last season, Hertl is still clearly better.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Klara
cool, even when you completely ignore the last season, Hertl is still clearly better.


Strictly? Only defensively. Thats it.

Im still 100% taking the extra year of Monahan over Hertl, especially if the cost is a top 50 prospect in the league
Sep. 8, 2021 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Strictly? Only defensively. Thats it.

Im still 100% taking the extra year of Monahan over Hertl, especially if the cost is a top 50 prospect in the league


Dramatically better defensively, and equal to, if not slightly better offensively, and that's with cropping the data for Monahan's benefit.

The Athletic just ranked Peletier 174th of under 23 players, top 50 is a bit generous, though I do think he is higher than 174.

I'm not arguing about it not making sense for Calgary (unless extension is agreed to), its your comment that "Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl."
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Sep. 8, 2021 at 3:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Strictly? Only defensively. Thats it.

Im still 100% taking the extra year of Monahan over Hertl, especially if the cost is a top 50 prospect in the league


That's fine but all the stats are clearly going against your statement. You're entitled to an opinion but I like to go off actual stats. I would never do this deal as a sharks fan, we can do better in a Hertl trade. I think u have overrated Pelletier just a tad.
Sep. 8, 2021 at 9:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Klara
Dramatically better defensively, and equal to, if not slightly better offensively, and that's with cropping the data for Monahan's benefit.

The Athletic just ranked Peletier 174th of under 23 players, top 50 is a bit generous, though I do think he is higher than 174.

I'm not arguing about it not making sense for Calgary (unless extension is agreed to), its your comment that "Monahan is literally a better player than Hertl."


Ill conceed my arguement anout Monahan being better despite him being more productive.

However being under 23 does not necessarily mean prospect. Mattyews was on the u23 list last year and he was in his 5th NHL season. The Athletic put out a top prospects list a couple weeks ago and Pelletier was ranked 46th
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