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Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 9, 2021
Published: Sep. 9, 2021
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Adding depth/talent to the right side of our d and forwards. This team is shaping up to be a force in the coming years. We've got some cap space we can use in the short term to bring in some veteran talent and to allow JBD, Thompson etc. get some pro games in at the AHL level.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,100,000
1$825,000
Trades
1.
STL
  1. Brown, Logan
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
St. Louis rids themselves of a pending headache prior to training camp, and acquires a wildcard prospect with some picks. Sens move on from Logan Brown and have the cap space to absorb Vladdy's cap hit.
2.
OTT
  1. Subban, P.K.
Additional Details:
Eugene loves him from his WJC days and he'd be entertaining. Keep him until the trade deadline for some veteran presence, and if we're out of the playoff picture, flip him for a pick and/or prospect.
NJD
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
  2. 2022 7th round pick (NYI)
  3. 2022 7th round pick (SJS)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$74,935,083$0$4,507,500$6,564,917
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,100,000$8,100,000
LW
UFA - 7
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$747,500$747,500 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
LW
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 2
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$3,600,000$3,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$749,250$749,250
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$450,000$450K)
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:10 a.m.
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Diamond hard pass on Brown, thanks.
Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Diamond hard pass on Brown, thanks.


I think the picks and a prospect from Ottawa would do the trick. St. Louis won't want the Tarasenko situation to linger to long. As a Sens fan, I saw this play out with Karlsson and both sides will want it resolved by training camp. If not Brown, then another prospect can get it done. A 2nd/3rd round pick is pretty good compensation for a player who seems to be on the decline and with shoulder injury history. I hope Tarasenko has a rebound year regardless of where he lands. Cheers.
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:35 a.m.
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Whats with Brown, is it he needs a better group to play with and its not happening just wondering. We need a 3C and have the same issues with Jesper Boqvist, not taken nearly as high as Brown but he's too good in the A but not there on the big club
Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:50 a.m.
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Whats with Brown, is it he needs a better group to play with and its not happening just wondering. We need a 3C and have the same issues with Jesper Boqvist, not taken nearly as high as Brown but he's too good in the A but not there on the big club


A few issues with Brown. The first is that his pro hockey debut has been hampered by perpetual injuries. This has held him back. The second is issues is work ethic and professionalism that dogged him even in the juniors - aka he's lazy. If he gets healthy and commits to being a pro, he could have a decent career in my opinion. The talent is certainly there. I have seen him play live @ the AHL level in Belleville many times and he certainly is a big body and a talented dude.
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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I don't mind the Tarasenko trade, I'd set a games played condition on the 2nd rounder, becomes a 4th if he doesn't play X number of games (Are you still allowed to do a games played condition on picks in this CBA? I know some conditions are not allowed now, but I'm not sure which ones).

I'm also down with the PK trade. I'm not a huge fan of some of his antics on the ice, but he played his best hockey when he was north of the border and I think he would thrive in a market like Ottawa. He is a community guy, always doing things for fans and local charities, which is awesome, and it seems that qualities like that were once instilled in those who donned the Sens sweater (Alfie, Fish, Spezz, Turris, Duchene).

PK is also a Melnyk type player, $9M cap hit, $2M salary after the signing bonus has been paid and, like him or not, he'll put fans in the stands. He's a rental and I wouldn't anticipate Ottawa to resign him, so the price couldn't be too high but it might have to be a touch higher than that. It would be interesting to see what him and Chabot could do as the top pair.
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
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If Tarasenko and Subban want to come to Ottawa and be part of a young rising team, I'd be ready to do that. We do need a RW and a RD. These guys have declined but were high level before, as long as they can provide some decent quality play, they'd be fine as stop gaps while younger players develop.

Note than Subban is only owed 2M$ for the rest of this season (and then his contract expires), which is something Melnyk will like. So that'd probably means that Dorion would overpay lol

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Quoting: mokumboi
Diamond hard pass on Brown, thanks.


ok remove Brown then, have the 2nd and 3rd round picks

I mean, what is the value for soon-to-be 30 y/o Tarasenko who has played 34/127 possible games the last 2 seasons and is owed 15 M$ over the next 2 seasons? Plus has demanded a trade and has a NTC

Younger, cheaper and healthier Buchnevich was had for a 2nd and Blais for example. Younger, cheaper and healthier Arvidsson was had for a 2nd and 3rd round pick

Quoting: Smitty426
Whats with Brown, is it he needs a better group to play with and its not happening just wondering. We need a 3C and have the same issues with Jesper Boqvist, not taken nearly as high as Brown but he's too good in the A but not there on the big club


I think it's more his father that is frustrated that Brown hasn't been earning a lot of NHL money yet. Of course, Logan is listening to dad's advice. The thing is he has been injured a lot and many times it was when he could have had another opportunity to make the NHL full time. In his 21 y/o season, he split the season between the NHL and AHL (where he was over PPG). Since then, with covid and injuries he has played ONLY 14 pro games, and in 3 different stretches lol

BEL @ LAV 2021-02-12
BEL @ LAV 2021-02-13
STK @ BEL 2021-03-03
MB @ BEL 2021-03-05
MB @ BEL 2021-03-06
BEL @ STK 2021-04-17
LAV @ BEL 2021-04-21
LAV @ BEL 2021-04-23
LAV @ BEL 2021-04-24
BEL @ TOR 2021-05-01
BEL @ TOR 2021-05-02
BEL @ LAV 2021-05-07
TOR @ OTT 2021-05-12 (NHL)
MB @ BEL 2021-05-14

2 games mid-February, 3 games beginning of March, 9 games mid-April to mid-May
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Sep. 9, 2021 at 1:03 p.m.
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ok remove Brown then, have the 2nd and 3rd round picks




A late 2nd and late 3rd ain;t gonna do it, either, and I think we all know that.
Sep. 9, 2021 at 3:24 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
A late 2nd and late 3rd ain;t gonna do it, either, and I think we all know that.


I think the return for Tarasenko will be underwhelming regardless of where he goes. His cap hit doesn't align with his potential anymore, he has a history of serious shoulder injuries, and he has stated he wants out. The leverage is in the team who will trade for him not with St. Louis. I hope I'm wrong and St. Louis gets a good return and he comes back productive. He's been a staple on my fantasy hockey team for years!
Sep. 9, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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A late 2nd and late 3rd ain;t gonna do it, either, and I think we all know that.


I disagree I think StL takes that today
Sep. 9, 2021 at 5:40 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
A late 2nd and late 3rd ain;t gonna do it, either, and I think we all know that.


So your take is that despite the facts I have listed, he has significantly more value than Arvidsson and Buchnevich?

I'll repeat the facts since you cut them from my post :

What is the value for soon-to-be 30 y/o Tarasenko who has played 34/127 possible games (27%) the last 2 seasons and is owed 15 M$ over the next 2 seasons? Plus has demanded a trade and has a NTC

Younger, cheaper and healthier Buchnevich was had for a 2nd and Blais for example. Younger, cheaper and healthier Arvidsson was had for a 2nd and 3rd round pick



Also, would the Blues really start the season with a headache situation if they can't get more than that? If it was offered, wouldn't they simply take it to have a resolve? You seem to think that the expected return is much more than 2nd + 3rd...

I don't think you know what we think we know. Like the 2 posters who replied to you, they also seem to agree. I can assure you the vast majority of hockey fans would tend to agree too.
Sep. 9, 2021 at 6:16 p.m.
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I disagree I think StL takes that today


Nope. Barring some injury somewhere that puts a team in need and opens up cap space, he will almost certainly begin the season in STL and hopefully will resume more normal service to send his perceived value higher.
Sep. 9, 2021 at 6:27 p.m.
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So your take is that despite the facts I have listed, he has significantly more value than Arvidsson and Buchnevich?

Also, would the Blues really start the season with a headache situation if they can't get more than that?

If it was offered, wouldn't they simply take it to have a resolve? You seem to think that the expected return is much more than 2nd + 3rd...

I don't think you know what we think we know. Like the 2 posters who replied to you, they also seem to agree. I can assure you the vast majority of hockey fans would tend to agree too.


1- I said no such thing, and for the billionth time, the market is not set by what one stupid GM does. Besides, your "facts" are entirely cherry-picked.

2- Army has already stated more than once that he's content to start the season with Tarasenko in the team, and Tarasenko is currently skating with the team. Not sure what;s confusing about that.

3- First of all, they might have taken some draft pick package (though perhaps not that one) prior to free agency. Now, they will be content to wait out the interested parties until someone offers something they want. Armstrong is not going to be Shanghai-ed, which I feel everyone should be well aware of by now.

4- Setting aside the laughable assertion that you speak for "the vast majority" of hockey fans, having a lot of people side with you is not at all any measure of thought quality, as the entire history of humanity has constantly demonstrated. And even if it did automatically make you and the masses "right" (for now, at least), that means nothing to Army. Right or wrong, he does it his way. And frankly, right now, his way on this matter is the best way.
Sep. 11, 2021 at 10:44 a.m.
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1- I said no such thing, and for the billionth time, the market is not set by what one stupid GM does. Besides, your "facts" are entirely cherry-picked.

2- Army has already stated more than once that he's content to start the season with Tarasenko in the team, and Tarasenko is currently skating with the team. Not sure what;s confusing about that.

3- First of all, they might have taken some draft pick package (though perhaps not that one) prior to free agency. Now, they will be content to wait out the interested parties until someone offers something they want. Armstrong is not going to be Shanghai-ed, which I feel everyone should be well aware of by now.

4- Setting aside the laughable assertion that you speak for "the vast majority" of hockey fans, having a lot of people side with you is not at all any measure of thought quality, as the entire history of humanity has constantly demonstrated. And even if it did automatically make you and the masses "right" (for now, at least), that means nothing to Army. Right or wrong, he does it his way. And frankly, right now, his way on this matter is the best way.



1- You said "A late 2nd and late 3rd ain;t gonna do it, either, and I think we all know that." And then you also don't say that Tarasenko has more value than Arvidsson and Buchnevich? Pretty contradicting

2- I don't follow the Blues so wouldn't know but great if everyone is ok with that, it kinda buys out time

3- As I said above, if they can live with the situation, it buys out time. Re-evaluate at the deadline. Maybe it'll be easier to trade him next off-season, when he'll have only one year left and his salary won't be $9,500,000 (which diminish his value significantly as it's a lot of real dollars for everybody)

4- It's not that I speak for "the vast majority" of hockey fans, but I have the ability to READ, so this is a general observation based on what most hockey fans (not just on this website) don't want to give up for Tarasenko (because of reasons already mentionned). Just in this very thread, 5 people talked about it, 3 agree with me, the other one is you.

I think what's laughable is people who can't see reality when it's right in front of them. We have seen a lot of that during the pandemic. To each their own.

Also, the "as the entire history of humanity has constantly demonstrated" comment is quite ridiculous. Most people are not earth flatteners, most people are not covidiots/anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers, most people think nazis were evil, most people think racism is bad, we could go all day

Weren't you the person who told me was 52 y/o? If that's the case, pretty puzzling that you still have that teenager mentality. We all thought like that at some point.
 
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